www.biggreenlies.com

[Rob]

Some interesting videos here of investigating common "big green lies"... kind of like MythBusters for the treehuggers.
http://www.biggreenlies.com/

Don't get me wrong, it's not bad to be environmentally conscience... it is bad to make up lies and exaggerations to make a profit... replacing "Big Oil" with "Big Green" won't change that. The Earth is a big-boy and isn't on it's death-bed as some folks seem to think... although clearly we can't go on down this road forever, but there is no need to scare everyone, especially if you stand to gain financially.

1 out of every 3 kids in recent survey (aged 6 to 11) thinks the Earth will be destroyed by the time they grow up.
http://www.kxma.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=364341

[Peace_by_superior _power]

We did the calculations in my ethics class and we use as much energy in oil as 58 people working around the clock 24/7 per American citizen. It takes a lot of energy to maintain our lifestyle in this country. From this we can see that we have made massive steps in the right direction as the human population has ballooned from 1.2 billion people from the industrial revolution to the current 6 billion. Thats about 4 billion people in 300 years. When we run out of fossil fuels I think that could be bad if we cannot maintain that energy.

Next we do not live a sustainable life. If you want proof I challenge you to not throw away anything for a couple days and see how much garbage you pile up.

Finally, the most important factor for because its the one I care most about is that I really enjoy my out doors. I love to camp, backpack, and ride my bike. The one thing I hate is going to my favorite spots and seeing crap in my nature. Also I like to relax and watch the wildlife in the prairies by my house and want to keep doing so, it's a real pleasure for me.

Why would you not want to take care of the planet anyways?

[jbeukema]

they don't care, Peace. They won't be around when fuel runs out, prices go up, or our cities start to look like Mexico City, so why should they care? Let the next generation handle it, right?

[scarymary]

Does anyone remember the movie Tombstone starring Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer? Val Kilmer portrayed Doc Holliday in that movie. I must admit that I believe his characterization of Holliday in that movie were scene stealers. My favorite line was when he shot Johnny Ringo, and then later told Wyatt Earp "it turns out my hypocrisy knows no bounds". That was the best line of the movie. Well, it turns out Doc can't hold a candle to the hypocrisy of the Dems. After a surgical destruction of George Bush on the matter of allowing lobbyists to help write legislation as it pertains to environmental issues, the Dems plan to do the same.


Democratic lawmakers who spent much of the Bush administration blasting officials for letting energy lobbyists write national policy have turned to a coalition of business and environmental groups to help draft their own sweeping climate bill.

And one little-noticed provision of the draft bill would give one of the coalition's co-founders a lucrative exemption on a coal-fired project it is building.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry A. Waxman, both of California, were among the Democrats -- then in the minority -- who slammed Vice President Dick Cheney for holding closed-door meetings to draft energy policy early in the Bush administration.

Republicans "invited energy lobbyists to write the energy bill that gouges consumers with big payoffs to Big Gas and Big Oil," Mrs. Pelosi said in 2005. "They have turned Washington, D.C., into an oil and gas town when it is supposed to be the city of innovation, of new, of fresh ideas about our energy policy."

But the sweeping climate bill Mr. Waxman and Rep. Edward J. Markey, Massachusetts Democrat and chairman of the panel's key environmental subcommittee, introduced at the end of March includes a provision that benefits Duke Energy Corp., a founding member of the U.S. Climate Action Partnership (USCAP), whose climate plan released in January the lawmakers have frequently called a "blueprint" for their climate legislation.

more here (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/04/green-lobby-guides-democrats-on-climate-bill/)

[Topiary Lady]

Peace, I think that most of us really do care a lot about envoronmental issues - the real ones - not the fake ones.


It's just that this Global Warming junk has become such a joke. Time after time, we see people like Gore and the hollywood crowd who comes out to lecture against waste and yet they are the worst offenders of all.


There is not a person on this site who wants to see garbage strewn around the praries. When you think about it, it's the conservatives who may be the hunters, or the farmers and ranchers. Do they care about nature and the environment? You bet they do. And like you, a lot of us enjoy the outdoors and surely do not want to see our natural area's destroyed. If you're out hiking and see some piece of garbage on your favorite trail, do you pick it up? I do. If I see something that has been left out here on the street, I pick that up, too. I also recycle things, and since we don't eat a lot of packaged food, we don't generate all that much garbage.


That's all real stuff that I think a lot of people do. I am all for these things. What I am not for is sitting in the dark because someone has convinced me that if I turn on a light then the polar bears will all drown. And I won't apologize for driving a large vehicle, because I happen to need a large vehicle because of my business.


There has to be a line of reason with these things. The problem with the extreme enviro-kooks, is that they draw an unreasonable line - and often do not even come close to living up to their own rules. That is why they have become the subject of so many jokes when it comes to real issues of the environment.


I have a number of liberal friends who do not do nearly what I do to cut waste. I find it hilarious when they see me picking up some piece of trash or recycling something and then announce that I'm "not a typical Republican". I beg to differ.

[Peace_by_superior _power]

Ill agree that I dont believe in global warming either. I dont see enough evidence to prove otherwise. That being said we do in fact need a better management of our resources. We are getting to a point where people will not have clean drinking water, we have developed seeds that commit suicide after growing into food when there are starving people in the world, and oil is going to run out. These are serious problems that may not affect us, but will affect other humans on this planet. And we are not bubbled from the outside world. These problems will get to us eventually.