Want Less Corruption? Shrink the Size of Government

[FireDog]

Another great video from the Cato Institute!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SovALlOhSg8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmichellemalkin.com%2F2009%2F04%2 F21%2Fbigger-government-more-corruption%2F&feature=player_embedded

[FarRightWing]

The scope and size of government has grown out of control and has in recent years gotten bigger and bigger. The reason republicans won so big in 94 was the “contract with America” that was suppose to pare down the size of government. Instead these politicians became greedy like their communist counterparts and kept on spending, spending. If there is going to be any true change we need a complete overhaul of this government and the only way for sure will be brute force.
The time for taking back control is past the negotiation stage. You cannot reason with these corrupt people any more so than could you with Islamic terrorist. Both of these groups have one thing in common and that is they think they know better than you how to run your life. It will take another Civil War to regain control. Otherwise is will be status crow and continue down the path that leads to complete destruction of our country.

[jbeukema]

So long as moronic fools continue to love their parties more than any real principles, policies, or plans- including all the idiot Republican fanboys/girls on TAR- the system will never be fixed.

[scarymary]

The system won't be fixed by simply voting for the opposition. That is what got us into the fix we're in today, and think FRW may very well have a point about this. It will most likely come down to, at the end of the day, taking our government back by force.

[jbeukema]

The system won't be fixed by simply voting for the opposition

tell that to the GOP-whores around here who vote for the elephant simply because it's not the ass. They don't care about policies, principles, or taking America back. They just don;t like the ass, so they vote for the opposition, swallowing the false-dichotomy and tyranny of a two-party system whole while deluding themselves into thinking they're really patriots and that they have and care about principles

Vote for a candidate, vote for a plan, vote for the principles, vote for the man- cause when ya vote for a party, the party just keeps goin', and you're payin' for it all

[Topiary Lady]

So long as moronic fools continue to love their parties more than any real principles, policies, or plans- including all the idiot Republican fanboys/girls on TAR- the system will never be fixed.

I am sick to damned death of your insinuations and insults here. You've got a lot to learn there, little man. :mad:

[jbeukema]

Happy now that you've once again displayed your hatred for TAR members?

Where did I ever say I hated those at TAR on the whole? All I said was that many of you, those who have said repeatedly that you put the party before principle, are a part of the problem

Raise your hand if you believe in the two-party system.. raise your hand if your loyalties lie with the Republican Party... now, everyone with your hands raised stay out of the voting booth until you come to your senses


Those who love AMERICA, believe in the REPUBLIC and REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY, and put their PRINCIPLES before any title,animal, or meaningless letter... thank you, you are the ones that make America great

[Topiary Lady]

tell that to the GOP-whores around here

:mad:
Show me a post where a member here said that they'd "put the party before principle". Those are your words - not ours.

"Whores" to the party? Gosh, JB, you might like to spend a bit more time reading the history of our members, instead of just assuming that you know what we're all about.

Fail.

[jbeukema]

Apparently it's wrong to love my country and advocate voting on principles rather than loyalty to some collection of persons bending over the American populace

Sorry, TL, I didn't know how much you love your de facto oligarchy, I accidentally mistook you for a patriot who had principles. Look where your party loyalty has gotten us, now. From my generation to yours, thanks a bunch- too bad we seem to have missed out on America

[Topiary Lady]

Apparently it's wrong to love my country and advocate voting on principles rather than loyalty to some collection of persons bending over the American populace

Sorry, TL, I didn't know how much you love your de facto oligarchy, I accidentally mistook you for a patriot who had principles. Look where your party loyalty has gotten us, now. From my generation to yours, thanks a bunch- too bad we seem to have missed out on America

Now I'm not a patriot? Gee, what's next? Labeling me a traitor?

Go ahead and give that a whirl. See where it gets you. Let's see if you have the nerve.

[Topiary Lady]

^
Apparently he did not have the nerve, since he logged off after reading that.

I don't seem to remember any of us here on TAR being big McCain supporters. In fact, many of us here understood what he was all about - and it wasn't good.

The problem was, that there was going to be one of two men who would be president. So, the patriots here did what they had to do - we knew which enemy would be less dangerous, and we held our noses and voted for McCain.

Which is the braver move? Voting for the lesser of two likely evils and then working out a stragety to manipulate the easier of the two? Or, throwing away your vote and then marching off and declaring yourself to be some self-ritcheous soul who did nothing to keep the more evil of the two out? Wash your hands completly and then move on with life? It seems to me, that it's a cowards way out.

Politics = War. The neutral guy only gets himself killed in the end. Learn to think like a military man - that's survival.

[jbeukema]

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Apparently he did not have the nerve, since he logged off after reading that.


riiight :rolleyes: Cookies don;t expire when you're getting lunch:icon_wink


The problem was, that there was going to be one of two men who would be president

Because of fools like you who buy into those very statements you just made and are in love with a 2-party system and know nothing of history. The GOP replaced the Whigs, it is not eternal, and is nothing more than a collection of persons who now work against the good of the people and nation. By swearing loyalty to a party, you swear loyalty to men rather than to principles or ideals


So, the patriots here did what they had to do - we knew which enemy would be less dangerous, and we held our noses and voted for McCain.
No, you copped out and voted for McCain because you lack the gall to challenge the de facto oligarchy you love so much and raise a rallying cry for principles over party or vote for anyone without an 'R' after their name. What you did was a sign of cowardice and acceptance, not of bravery


throwing away your vote

in the eyes of those who would see to it that no man of principles is elected, only a man of the appropriate party

If you loved you nation, had a spine, and stood by principles, you'd have the gall to challenge the now status quo that fools like you who follow such idiotic ideas as you just expressed have wrought upon America


Politics = War. The neutral guy only gets himself killed in the end. Learn to think like a military man - that's survival.

Peggy Noonan once spoke on such desperate calls to the terminology of war when one has no argument and doesn't know what she's talking about...

[Topiary Lady]

riiight :rolleyes: Cookies don;t expire when you're getting lunch:icon_wink



Because of fools like you who buy into those very statements you just made and are in love with a 2-party system and know nothing of history. The GOP replaced the Whigs, it is not eternal, and is nothing more than a collection of persons who now work against the good of the people and nation. By swearing loyalty to a party, you swear loyalty to men rather than to principles or ideals

No, you copped out and voted for McCain because you lack the gall to challenge the de facto oligarchy you love so much and raise a rallying cry for principles over party or vote for anyone without an 'R' after their name. What you did was a sign of cowardice and acceptance, not of bravery



in the eyes of those who would see to it that no man of principles is elected, only a man of the appropriate party

If you loved you nation, had a spine, and stood by principles, you'd have the gall to challenge the now status quo that fools like you who follow such idiotic ideas as you just expressed have wrought upon

Congratulations. You have just insulted every member of this site who made the difficult choice to vote for McCain over B. Hussein. Go ahead and tell us again hw well that worked out for ya....

[Topiary Lady]

riiight :rolleyes: Cookies don;t expire when you're getting lunch:icon_wink



Because of fools like you who buy into those very statements you just made and are in love with a 2-party system and know nothing of history. The GOP replaced the Whigs, it is not eternal, and is nothing more than a collection of persons who now work against the good of the people and nation. By swearing loyalty to a party, you swear loyalty to men rather than to principles or ideals

No, you copped out and voted for McCain because you lack the gall to challenge the de facto oligarchy you love so much and raise a rallying cry for principles over party or vote for anyone without an 'R' after their name. What you did was a sign of cowardice and acceptance, not of bravery



in the eyes of those who would see to it that no man of principles is elected, only a man of the appropriate party

If you loved you nation, had a spine, and stood by principles, you'd have the gall to challenge the now status quo that fools like you who follow such idiotic ideas as you just expressed have wrought upon America



Peggy Noonan once spoke on such desperate calls to the terminology of war when one has no argument and doesn't know what she's talking about...

More insults.

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

So long as moronic fools continue to love their parties more than any real principles, policies, or plans- including all the idiot Republican fanboys/girls on TAR- the system will never be fixed.

Right everyone here votes party line. "Conservatives" are pissed off at both parties more so at the Republicans than Democrats stop grouping us in with democrats becasue they dont even know what the hell they are voting for most of the time. I mean seriously you preach to us not to name call but yet you insult people on this site.

[jbeukema]

I never said everyone here voted party line. Some do, however, and all of them need to realize they're part of the problem

if you're all so mad atthe GOP, why don't you walk away from party loyalty and start voting by principles? Oh, wait, because they're not Republicans... TL just provided a fine example of what's wrong with so many of you

[Topiary Lady]

Many of us here voted to try and keep B. Hussein out. However, now he's in office and doing exactly what we believed he would.

There is no shame in making the choice that we did. At least we tried to keep him out. A least we cared enough about our country and our right to vote that we kept our lives straight so that we could exercise that right.

Perhaps in the future we could all become convicted felons who can come here to monday morning quarterback these things - elections that we, ourselves, did not even participate in.

[Dr. Madd]

Oh, SNAP! I'm not a doctor, but that had to hurt.

[Topiary Lady]

My apology to you, FireDog, for the distractions here in your thread. I agree with the video you've posted. Most of us here, probably would.

I appreciate your participation in this site, FireDog. We The People really do need to find a way to take our country back and shrink our government. We've got a really tough battle ahead of us with the way things are now.

Are you participating in the Tea Party type of protests in your area? I think that it's really important that we make this sort of thing grow. There will be a point where Washington will not be able to ignore us, if we keep this going with increasing support.

Here is another video well worth your time: http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/04/inspiration_at.html

That man, an ordinary citizen, is truly an inspiration, and a great patriot. It's one of those 'cheer out loud' video's. Most of us could only dream about giving such an inspiring speech. Lord knows B. Hussein could never deliver such a beautiful testament to our countrymen like that. He's too busy with his pre-fab Down With America crap.

[jbeukema]

once again, TL falls back on ad homs because she knows that she's wrong

[Topiary Lady]

Reality and facts. I am not wrong.

[jbeukema]

you are naive at best and a part of the problem

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

How does this idiot get to insult people out of one side of his mouth, then cry like the little bitch that he is, out of the other?

Seriously. this pinhead has insulted so many people on this site so many times, and he's still here??????

Try something, do a search for 'fool', 'moron' or idiot, and put JB's handle in the 'poster' field, and see how many threads come up....

[Topiary Lady]

Let's just go back to talking about the problems with big government now.

I heard something very briefly today about how B. Hussein not wants the government to be in charge of student loans. That's pretty frightening when you think about it.

[Aurelius]

Eh? The government is already in charge of any non-private student loan. You submit your prior years tax information and are awarded grants, no interest loans, and interest loans. Even if you make a few million dollars you will always have access to the maximum amount of an interest loan which are available to people of all incomes.