DHS targeting "right-wingers" and veterans!

[KSigMason]

I was perusing the news and found this little article.


Homeland Security on guard for 'right-wing extremists'
Returning U.S. military veterans singled out as particular threats

WASHINGTON – A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats.

Rest of Article (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94803)
The report seems like a big fear mongering by the DHS.

Here are some exerts of the report (http://images.logicsix.com/DHS_RWE.pdf) that pissed me off:


(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.


(U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.


(U//FOUO) Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement.
This would include my entire family and most of my hometown who have been saving up ammo. People are scared of the prices skyrocketing or the supplies depleting.


(U//FOUO) Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.
So out of the fear of the .gov Veterans are going to have their rights restricted?! The .gov expects us to give our life to our country, but when we return they take away our rights because of some fear of a radical movement? This leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[KSigMason]

The rest of the article/report is just as nasty.

Please pass this on to all you know.

[FKLBRLS]

The government has been shitting on veterans since the 1800s. WWII was sort of an exception, I think.

That's BS. But it shows what the government's priorities are. The consider all dissenters a "threat."

[Aurelius]

You disagree? American born terrorism generally comes from eco/animal groups or right wing extremism and we haven't seen much of the eco/animal in a long time. It didn't get posted up here, but there was the right winger the other week that killed three cops when he melted down ranting about the government coming for his guns and the oncoming communist takeover. It's not nasty, it's the truth.

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

I've yet to see a brief, singling out a pre-emergent left wing group.

This brief appears to be targetting groups that haven't even formed yet, and it's exclusively aimed at the right wing.

Not to mention the fact that it demonizes virtually anyone that adheres to the Consititution and seeks to return the Republic to it.

Pathetic that you'd justify it Aurelius.



but there was the right winger the other week that killed three cops when he melted down ranting about the government coming for his guns and the oncoming communist takeover. It's not nasty, it's the truth.

For every legitimate right wing extremist cop killer you show me, I'll show you 20 Obama supporting gang banger/illegal alien that has done the same or worse.....

Wanna play that game Aurelius?

[scarymary]

Well, isn't this rich? I'll bet they are going to start harassing the protesters going to the tea parties all across America now. This is crap.

[Dr. Madd]

You disagree? American born terrorism generally comes from eco/animal groups or right wing extremism and we haven't seen much of the eco/animal in a long time. It didn't get posted up here, but there was the right winger the other week that killed three cops when he melted down ranting about the government coming for his guns and the oncoming communist takeover. It's not nasty, it's the truth.

Animal rights idiots, yes. Right wing extremists? What do you consider a right wing extremist? I know liberals and people who don't know any better who I cannot convince that TAR is not a radical site. The guy who killed the cops, sadly, I think and I hate to say it, was simply ahead of himself.

[Dr. Madd]

WAA 1 Aurelius -0

This guy should scare us all

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Verify for yourself: www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

Obama Signs Presidential Determination Allowing Palestinians Loyal to Hamas to Resettle in US

Here is yet another unilateral action taken by our new President, for which we must rely upon the information of friends to discover.

I wonder how the "Jewish" block of Democratic voters now feels about this President now.

Try and tell the American people that Obama doesn't have ties to the Islamic terrorist world.
Obama funds $20M tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA

This is news that didn't make the headlines... WHY NOT?

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza .

The "presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27th and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4th.

Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006. Don't believe it?.... then read it and you'll see!

A review of Barack Obama's most recent actions since he was inaugurated:
His first call to any head of state as president was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory. His first one-on-one interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television. He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted. He ordered all overseas CIA interrogation centers closed. He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and 9/11. Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in the US at American taxpayer expense.- Sent to me by Bee.


[B] Update: Bee snopesed this. While he did vote to send money over there, condemnable as that was, he did not offer to take them over here. Sorry for the misinformation. Most unintentional.

[neverforget911]

WAA 1 Aurelius -0

This guy should scare us all

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Verify for yourself: www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

Obama Signs Presidential Determination Allowing Palestinians Loyal to Hamas to Resettle in US

Here is yet another unilateral action taken by our new President, for which we must rely upon the information of friends to discover.

I wonder how the "Jewish" block of Democratic voters now feels about this President now.

Try and tell the American people that Obama doesn't have ties to the Islamic terrorist world.
Obama funds $20M tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA

This is news that didn't make the headlines... WHY NOT?

By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza .

The "presidential determination" which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States was signed on January 27th and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4th.

Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006. Don't believe it?.... then read it and you'll see!

A review of Barack Obama's most recent actions since he was inaugurated:
His first call to any head of state as president was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory. His first one-on-one interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television. He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted. He ordered all overseas CIA interrogation centers closed. He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and 9/11. Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in the US at American taxpayer expense.- Sent to me by Bee.

If this is true what explanation would be given for it, or is it just the obvious and bold?

[Dr. Madd]

I've heard some of these things elsewhere. There is a link here, I think. Anyway, If he did this in the 1930's, he'd be tried as a fifth columnist.

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

Yea and the Unabomber was reading Al Gore’s Book "Earth in the Balance." I love how Liberals work in the face of evidence they go "oh look over there it’s a Right Wing Extremist cop killer!" Do you have proof of that? He disliked Obama so he’s already a right wing extremist, great generalization there Aurelius. Weren’t you the one whining about the Patriot Act?

[Topiary Lady]

Here is the problem - most of us are not actual 'extremists', but perhaps we will be labeled as such, by this far left administration.

The article also mentions "the possible passage of new restrictions on firearms" as being some way of setting off these right-wingers. Really? So I guess that this really is coming? The new restrictions, I mean? I wonder how 'extreme' those restrictions will end up being.

You know what this is? It's yet one more way that this administration is going to try and distract. They're trying to show that they need to focus on the conservatives and what we may be up to, because they know full well that they themselves are up to no good and that we are doing our best to keep watch over them.

Mary, I wouldn't be surprised if they did start looking into some of the Tea Party protesters - especially the organizers of these events. Yeah, how dare us 'right-wingers' come out in peaceful protest and challenge Chairman O and his left-wing EXTREMIST buddies, eh? There is a huge difference between these protests and what we've seen from the lefties over the years. The viciousness and vandalizing is theirs to own.

[Dr. Madd]

I am proud to count myself as a Right winger.

The Obama regime's new motto: We must eliminate the right wing extremists: Then there'll be no room for the leftwing extremists.

Unabomber: Bad right-wing extremist
Bill Ayers: Left Wing extremist- Friend of Obama.

Any Questions?

[Aurelius]

For every legitimate right wing extremist cop killer you show me, I'll show you 20 Obama supporting gang banger/illegal alien that has done the same or worse.....

You're serious I believe, and that's sad. The point of the brief was on politically motivated groups or individuals. The "gang banger/illegal alien" isn't motivated by political reasons. When you have people forming together with guns because the government is coming for their Social Security then we can talk.


Here is the problem - most of us are not actual 'extremists', but perhaps we will be labeled as such, by this far left administration.

It's really not that the right wing is extreme, but as a whole you're definitely moving that way. Republican party identification has shrunk by about 12% over the past decade by pushing out the middle. All of the voices that politicians and pundits had to appeal to suddenly are gone and to keep up support their message shifts right. It's why we see politicians battle over who is the most conservative no matter how ridiculous and ungrounded they sound as they clamor for rank in the party.

Take offense if you will, but a lot of people on here have pretty drastically shifted towards extremism and it seems to me out it is out of fear of the unknown. The real difference between a staunch conservative or liberal and an extremist is not how much they support their cause, but their inability to face reality when implementing their ideas and the ease at which they accept conjecture as fact and fixate on it.

[Topiary Lady]

There are some who gravitate towards the extremes on both ends, Auri. I still believe that most of your average conservative types probably think more along the lines that I do - and I'm no extremist.

Look, I mainly want the government to just butt-out of most things. Leave the people to make their own decisions about how they live their lives. If someone wants to work hard and succeed, it should be respected and not treated as some crime for which they must now owe more to the government. On the other hand, if someone wants to be lazy and do nothing to further their life, then that's fine with me, too. They can just go ahead and just sit there on their Salvation Army sofa in their apartment and live with it. The country owes them nothing.

If someone wants to have a bunch of guns. Well, that's their business. If they commit no crime, then they should be left to enjoy those guns. Then on the other hand, if someone doesn't want firearms around their home. Horray for them. Who cares?

You don't see me here participating in the religion or homosexuality threads all that much, because I basically consider all of that to be personal stuff. For the most part, I don't care what someone believes in or what they do in their bedrooms. It's none of my business. But I'll tell you what, I resent the hell out of it when the government tries to tell me or anyone else that we MUST accept things that we don't believe in.

Am I an extremist? Hardly. Will some people label me as one anyway, just because I won't drink B. Hussein's Kool-Aid? Probably. But guess what? I don't give a shit. Why? Because I don't have to.

No, I don't think that the Republican party is "extremist". I do believe that this is a label more appropriately handed to the Democrats at this point. I consider it pretty damned extreme when they start zooming down the road towards all out communism, at the rate that they are.

[KSigMason]

I love how Leftists say Right Wing extremists are the only violent ones, but how quickly they forget the Weatherman Underground, their bombings, and the deaths attributed to those bombings.

What really is ironic is this report is the greatest recruitment tool for the extremists. The Left should be embracing our troops and truly supporting them not vilifying them. The Left is intentionally drawing out lines and creating their own worse enemy. I'm a dork for posting this, but here is a great quote:


Voldemort himself created his own worst enemy, just as tyrants everywhere do! Have you any idea how much tyrants fear the people they oppress?

[jbeukema]

No, I don't think that the Republican party is "extremist".

the GOP would have to have convictions before it could be 'extremist'

[Topiary Lady]

KSig,

What they are doing with this report is trying to use it to discourage some conservatives from the protests that are taking place. They want to paint a picture of the people who attend as being extremist nut-jobs, so that mainstream conservatives and moderates will shy away from it.

Fact is though, the people who are coming out to these things really are mainly just your average concerned citizens. People who love this country and want the destructive path that we are on to end.

It's just another way to divert attention. No different than someone who makes repeated claims that the GOP has no convictions. Divert divert divert.

Members of the GOP, are the GOP. We're taking our party back, just as we're going to take our country back as patriotic Americans should.

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

The topic itself should make any self respecting American realise that the radicalism does not exist anywhere near as much as it does on the left wing.

Throughout recent history it's been demonstrated time and time again.

From high profile left wing 'celebrities' visiting enemy states, to left wing terror groups targetting police department building, to governemennt buildings, to presidents who are seperated by 1 degree from unrepentant domestic terrorists.

Aurelius points to one unhinged right wing 'cop killer', as de facto evidence of the right wings 'extremism', but when asked about the relationship between Obama and Ayers, he's says it isn't important.

Left wing eco terrorists attack people, burn private property and it's all ok.

Left wing voters, who engage in drug manufacture and distribution, gang related activities, (which in and of itself is a form of domestic terror), and the wholesale murder of law enforcement officials on a DAILY basis, are dismissed because there isn't a single cause that can be pointed to for the explosion of violence.

And he's right, there isn't a 'single' crystalised cause that makes it easier for the likes of Aurelius to demonize, there is a plethora of causes. All of them brought on by the left wing of this country in it's macabre pursuit of creating two social classes in this country, Ultra Rich and Ultra Poor.

Anyone that takes Aurelius' self righteous bullshit seriously needs to have their head examined.

Fortunately we have a resident physician who specialises in exraingulectomies (or how ever the hell you spell it)

[Topiary Lady]

You are correct, WAA. It's exactly what I'm saying when I talk about the attempt from the left, to distract from our own goals.

Point the guilty finger at your opponent to try and divert from your own dirty deeds. That's the game they are playing. I truly believe it.

[scarymary]

Of course you're right TL. That is the way they have played the game for years, and will continue to do so as long as it serves their purpose. If they can paint the opposing side as being evil and counter productive, that is the way they want them to appear, and then many on the opposing side will shun away from holding their ground.

[i_love_being_so_wicked]

KSig, I thought you were talking about the Department of Health Services at first, lol. I'm glad that you were not talking about them because then I might be in trouble.

[Aurelius]

WOW... just hit my thumb button and there goes my post. Quick summary...

Left wing extremism was mostly during the 50-80s. Eco-terrorism is around, but a few burned properties and vehicles amounting to less then 200 million over the past decade carried about by a few individuals where no lives were lost doesn't make it a huge threat. Most wouldn't even classify eco-terrorism as left wing because their singular focus exists outside of standard liberal political fair.

Ring wing extremism is getting fanned even within the standard conservative news diet. You all watch a lot of Fox so I'm sure you've seen Beck and Senator Bachmann rave out their delusional views and call for violent revolution. It's irresponsible talk like that by two people who know they hold sway that pushes people over the edge.

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

Funny you don't throw Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan or Wright into the mix...

As well as the fact that you completely glance over domestic terror aka gang activities, all of which is brought on by the left's welfare state mindset.

I suppose then, that your position of Jefferson's whole Tree of Liberty being refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants is irresponsible too then?

Left wing (failed) talk radio hosts, can call for the murder of a President that they despise, and it's nothing but free speech. Let wing talking heads make charges of murder, gross human rights violations etc at the same president and they're hailed as patriots by the sheeple on the left, and everything's cool

Yet now, because of one isolated incident of a right wing extremist who murders 3 cops and talk of revolution by a right wing talk show host, suddenly free speech doesn't apply?

You're a hypocrite, but then we already knew that.

[Topiary Lady]

Radio show host Rick Roberts of www.760kfmb.com (http://www.760kfmb.com) is all over this subject this morning. You can listen to his show live, through their site. Some of you have heard him when he sits in for Michael Savage.

Rick has just read, on the air, the email I sent to him this morning, about this subject, which included the name of our favorite little site here! :icon_wink Thanks for the promo, Rick! I often mention your show on this site, and I know that at least a few people here, do listen in.

Here was my email:

Rick,

We've been talking about this subject for a couple of days now, over at TheAmericanRight.com .

Couple of points -

This is most likely meant to try and sway some people from the Tea Party protests tomorrow. If the Obama administration can peg the group as crazy extremists, some people will shy away from it.

Also, I've looked carefully at the language. This administration has repeatedly tried to say that they are not going to go after our guns, but what is written there, indicates otherwise.

Here is where we've been talking about this: http://www.theamericanright.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9774

There were also some very disturbing relases in Missouri about us so called "extremists", where even something like flying the Gadsden flag, could alert officials and have them take a look at you.

It's beyond scary.

~TL