Gays in the Military

[teens4bush]

What is everyone's stance on this issue? Personally, I am in favor of Clinton's "don;t ask don't tell" policy because it keeps it as a non-issue (hopefully), and if you admit it, you get the boot. It would distract our soldiers and woudl weaken their morale.

[Madcowhunter]

I don't think placing gays in the same room with men (in the military) is a good idea. Seriously, imagine what a soldier would do to a guy if he started hitting on him. Then again, "don't ask, don't tell," that probably wouldn't happen.

[HealthyCommie]

Yeah, 'cause gay guys obviously hit on every guy they meet, right? I think not letting gays in the military is a joke. It's terrible, really. You straight guys here back home can bitch about them all you want, but at the end of the day it comes down to the fact that they're putting their butts on the line for your country; they're fighting for something they believe in. And what are you doing? Sitting back home on your ass insulting them. You guys should honor them the same way you honor every other soldier in the military.

[thumbelina]

...they're putting their butts on the line... :eek:











j/k :icon_mrgr

[Madcowhunter]

HC, did you read my post? I didn't say gays will hit on every guy they meet, but if they see someone in the military they really like... Could they hold back their feelings? Also, point out where I "insulted" any gay men.

[HealthyCommie]

Well, you kind of implied that gays hit on every guy they meet when you said:


I don't think placing gays in the same room with men (in the military) is a good idea.

How did you expect me to interpret that? I don't think anyone joins the military to hook up with someone. They're there to defend their country, or whatever they think they're there to do, do you honestly believe a guy is going to be distracted by something stupid like that? If you're afraid of people not being able to control their feelings, why not just ban all women from joining the military? Oh no, we can't have that, if a man falls in love with a woman in the military, it'll be a great heroic tale; Universal will make a great big movie about it.

[jackalope_herder]

I think this stand up comic said it best (I'm paraphrasing and I forgot thw guy's name):

If I joined the army, I'd want to be in an all gay platoon, 'cause if these are the guys who are supposed to be watching my @$$, I'd like for them to think it's kinda cute. Fighting for a little more than god and country if you know what I mean.

Don't ask, don't tell

[Madcowhunter]

Well, you kind of implied that gays hit on every guy they meet when you said: Sorry if I didn't word it correctly to make it more clear. But here is the idea I was going for. A lot of parents wouldn't want their son in a bedroom with their girlfriend with the door shut, why? because they don't want their kids screwing around. It doesn't mean they will screw around, but they don't want to take that chance.



How did you expect me to interpret that? I don't think anyone joins the military to hook up with someone. They're there to defend their country, or whatever they think they're there to do, do you honestly believe a guy is going to be distracted by something stupid like that? If you're afraid of people not being able to control their feelings, why not just ban all women from joining the military? Oh no, we can't have that, if a man falls in love with a woman in the military, it'll be a great heroic tale; Universal will make a great big movie about it.

Look, I'm not against gays joining the military, but in combat they should be placed somewhere where they won't get too emotionally attached with others, (same with all other sexes, straight and gay). Also, I know people don't join the military to hook up with the others, but that doesn't mean anything, just because it's not intentional, doesn't mean it won't happen.

But, I guess in the end... Don't ask, don't tell is the best possible solution to it all.

[HealthyCommie]

No, I think the best possible solution is to sign up anyone they *uckin' can, 'cause kids aren't really jumping at the thought of joining the army these days.

[Madcowhunter]

Well yes. Don't ask, don't tell.

HC is right there, the Marine Corps didn't make its recruting quota for the first time in ten years. Also you have all these people protesting, getting recruiting depo. shut down, and many protest recruiters coming to High Schools, and the JROTC.

[Count Rugen]

the gays in the military are, for the most part, just like the non-gays. They wanted to serve their country and enlisted. Actually, I think they're a little better than most soldiers because they knew they'd be ridiculed and possibly beaten if anyone found out they were gay, and yet continue to serve their country. You should all thank God we have Americans like that willing to serve their country at such a cost.

Also, I think you'll find that most gays in the military fall on the female side of the y chromosome.

[riddle]

Yeah, 'cause gay guys obviously hit on every guy they meet, right? I think not letting gays in the military is a joke. It's terrible, really. You straight guys here back home can bitch about them all you want, but at the end of the day it comes down to the fact that they're putting their butts on the line for your country; they're fighting for something they believe in. And what are you doing? Sitting back home on your ass insulting them. You guys should honor them the same way you honor every other soldier in the military.


You may be a gay sympathizer, but WE are not lazy or un-American for not fighting. We have chosen our battlefront, and just becuase it has nothing to do with bullets or tanks, doesn't mean that we arn't fighting for our country. People like you have forgotten that we must fight for our freedom before we fight for our lives. A war has never started just from nothing. No one has ever started a war without thinking first that they have a cause (either good or bad) to fight for. My battle is here in America. Not abroad. That is MY choice and NOT yours. You talk of rights!?!? Well, that's my right, and you have no say in what I do.

Back to the point at hand. Gays may not hit on every man they see, but in a intimate arena such as a tent, straight males may feel a little awkward about getting undressed around someone who is playing for the other team. It disrupts moral and as Jack once said: "It puts lives in danger!"
My take on homosexuality is that it is a perversion amd a mental disorder. These people need help. They don't need to be in the military. That is my opinion and only an opinion.

[Count Rugen]

I think I'll need some specific examples of how you're fighting for what you believe in (no lies) and if it compares to what our servicemen are doing.

Once again, please don't lie.

[Wadi66]

I think I'll need some specific examples of how you're fighting for what you believe in (no lies) and if it compares to what our servicemen are doing.

Once again, please don't lie.Count, who is this directed towards? HC or Riddle?

[Count Rugen]

Count, who is this directed towards? HC or Riddle?
The guy who said "we're fighting for what we believe in" (riddle).

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

...You straight guys...

Is that a group to which you don't claim membership?

[HealthyCommie]

it's funny that the only time that the left wingers support the army is when gays are in it. Homosexuals- the sacred cows of the left . as long as homosexuals are here preserving and defending "diversity" all is well and we are saved. What another friggin joke as perpetuated by the lunatic diversity pushin left.

I'm not supporting the army, I'm supporting gays having the right to join the army. If a gay man or woman wants to join the army, who the hell are any of you to say they can't? You could possibly make an arguement that women aren't as strong as men and therefore shouldn't be allowed on the front lines, but to say that gays shouldn't be allowed just because of the fact that they're gay is absurd. The military needs anyone they can get these days, I really don't think they should be concerned over whether someone's gay or not. This has nothing to do with the left pushing diversity or homosexuality on you, it has to do with the left defending the gays'rights as a fellow American.

If one of my gay friends (or any of my friends for that matter) told me they wanted to join the army, the first thing I'd do is try to talk them out of it. No matter what. I don't care if they're gay or straight, man or woman, white or black; I don't want to see my friends lose their body parts or their lives for a fictitious cause. But if they REALLY want to do it, Jesus Christ, it's their choice and I will not get in the way of that.

[Wadi66]

If a gay man or woman wants to join the army, who the hell are any of you to say they can't? I think this is a decision best left to those in the military. They are the ones who will have to deal with it. Because we aren't in the military, we haven't the knowledge to ascertain what impact it will have and therefore are not qualified to voice an opinion. Valid opinions require knowledge and more often experience. HC, have you served? If not, then you know not of what you speak.

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

..but to say that gays shouldn't be allowed just because of the fact that they're gay is absurd.

I think it's very reasonable to not allow homos to serve. Men serving in the front line probably don't want to share a tent or shower with a gay man. I don't want to, and I'm not even in the military. You'll probably say that not every gay man is going to hit on every man they come in contact with, so why are all these straight soldiers flattering themselves, right. That's probably true, but we've established that a gay man's sexuality is different (most of you libs insist that it's genetic) from straight men's. Isn't that the reason that men and women don't shower together in the army? Or do they, I could be wrong.

You've returned to the left-wing argument of 'let anybody do anything they want or it's discrimination'. Fine. Gays in the military. Then let's allow 12 year olds in the military if they really want to serve. And for that matter, let's get race statistics for our next draft so we can be sure to draft more women and minorites into the military and less white men. We're crazy about diversity, right?

Left wing arguments are shrouded in emotion.

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

it's funny that the only time that the left wingers support the army is when gays are in it.

Good call.

[FightinDaMan]

It IS about homosexuality and the people that push it on an unwilling society. From the military to the schools to the churches it's the same old liberal lockstep. Oh the poor homosexuals. Stupid, stupid logic.

Gays being in the military is pushing homosexuality on society? If all homosexuals lived under rocks and pretended to be straight you'd still probably think they were forcing their ways on you.

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

Gays being in the military is pushing homosexuality on society? If all homosexuals lived under rocks and pretended to be straight you'd still probably think they were forcing their ways on you.

I'd be happier if they were living under rocks.

[Count Rugen]

I'd be happier if they were living under rocks.
I'm glad my happines isn't dependant upon a group of people living under rocks. Why don't you quit worrying about what others are doing and work on yourself?

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

I'm glad my happines isn't dependant upon a group of people living under rocks. Why don't you quit worrying about what others are doing and work on yourself?

My happiness does not depend on other people living under rocks. I would just be happier if they were.

Why don't you quit worrying about what others in the military (which you've already professed to dislike) are doing with gays and work on yourself?

[Count Rugen]

My happiness does not depend on other people living under rocks. I would just be happier if they were.

Why don't you quit worrying about what others in the military (which you've already professed to dislike) are doing with gays and work on yourself?
Why are you lying? I've never said I dislike the military. That's an outright lie. I have a great amount of love for the men and women that serve this great nation.

Did you not say you'd be happier if all gays lived under a rock? Why? Why does the location of an entire group affect so heavily your happiness? My happiness is found in the faith and redemption found in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Maybe you should try that.