Gays in the Military

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

My happiness is found in the faith and redemption found in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Maybe you should try that.

Whatever floats your boat.

[Count Rugen]

Whatever floats your boat.
That's a liberal idea.

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

No, a liberal idea would be to have crosses and references to Christ banned because they're discriminatory and they might offend a third-word immigrant. A liberal idea is to ban Santa and the Easter Bunny because they are symols of bigotry. A liberal idea is to remove crosses from city logos. A liberal idea would be to ban prayer in school. A liberal idea would be what these anti-religion freaks are doing near me: http://www.styleweekly.com/article.asp?idarticle=10288.

I don't believe in religion, but I'm not offended by it. I'm offended by the liberal idea that all refernces to religion somehow violate the seperation of church and state.

[Count Rugen]

Dearest count- I don't need "to work on myself" thank you . I am quite happy with myself and while absolutely not considering myself perfect I know I am all right (I am not even a liitle bit left). I am comfortable with my convictions but much happier with my aquittals. I know what I stand for, what I believe in and what I know to be right and wrong. I will not be subverted, perverted, inspected, rejected , brainwashed, denied or approved. I will not be badgered, bothered or bitched at or laid hands on. I will be kind to those who deserve it and ruthless to those who don't. I will love America until the day I die and will die the day they take it away. I will fight till I am gone for what's right and take all there is left and when there is nothing left I'll be gone.
Dearest Riverman, I wasn't talking to you.
Dear, Dear Riverman, exactly how are you fighting? By complaining on a message board? Writing letters to a woman who knows nor cares one whit how you think?
Dear, Dear, Dearest Riverman, give me a break. You're no more a freedom fighter than these internet bloggers putting opinion over truth. good luck with your "fight" let me know when you actually affect something in this world. You learned a couple of buzz phrases and let them fly without a clue as to what they really mean.

[riddle]

I think I'll need some specific examples of how you're fighting for what you believe in (no lies) and if it compares to what our servicemen are doing.

Once again, please don't lie.

If you must know, I write my representatives often and on many topics. This isn't much, but hopefully with some more education I can do more for my country.

I also live by example. You know. I don't do drugs, I pay my taxes, stuff like that. I also uphold the laws of teh land regardless if I like them or not. That is what I am doing.

[USArmyguy23]

You guys crack me up! Why do you even care if you're not in the military. I'm gay and in the military and I've never once had a problem. It's just like working in the civilian world. You do your job, and you go home. My friends and fellow soldiers know me very well...Don't ask don't tell is bullshit! It is actually narrowed down to a couple simple rules:
1. Do your job like you would in the civ. world. You wouldn't hit on your co-workers (or at least you shouldn't) so what problems is there?
2. You do NOT lie to your soldiers about your sexuality. They are going to trust you more with their lives if you don't hide things from them. If you are hiding the fact that you're gay, what else could you be hiding. lack of trust is what destroys unit cohesion...not gays
3. Don't be a === about your job. Do your job. Again, like I said, I've been in 3 years and not once have I had a problem, and almost everyone that I work with knows I'm gay. It's all in your attitude. I choose to serve my country, so some assholes can tell me I don't deserve to serve. For those of you who think I don't deserve to be in the military, do my job, run 40 miles a week, and take orders from some steretypical prick and see how long you last. a === like me would take everyone of you out...haha. For those of you who support soldiers, thank you for all that you do. Without your support none of us would have the freedoms we do!
God Bless
USArmy

[chi1088]

It's good that America has people like you USArmyguy.

[HOKIEHUNTER]

quick question for you armyguy, have you ever been attracted to any of the striaght soldiers you serve with? ever had mental thoughts about how "cute some guy is" before you met him?

[Count Rugen]

Thanks for serving.

[Bumblebee]

Thank you for serving our country, USArmyguy. I am deeply grateful to all our soldiers and I love and cherish you all.

[rightwingxtremist]

I see this issue as an entirely practical one. We don't want males and females courting and humping on the battle field, so I guess it is fair that we don't want males and males, or females and females doing the same. What would be the purpose of revealing one's sexuality unless it was to attract a mate anyway?

- Nate

[rightwingxtremist]

I have an idea. Lets stop trying to put sex into every single facet of our lives. I think that would solve a lot of problems.

It sounds good to me. We should never forget that the so-called log cabin republicans put sex over national defense when they chose to not endorse our president.

- Nate

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

It's good that America has people like you USArmyguy.

Why is it libs wouldn't dare think of thanking a soldier for his service unless he's gay? When is the last time libs thanked soldiers in general for defending them?

[fancyguppy]

The thing that bothers me is gays seem to always like to announce their gay. I listen to many streamed radio broadcasts throughtout the day on the internet. Mainly KCMO 710 and WABC so I can listen to Mark Levin thank goodness you can still get those broadcasts clearly up here in new england. But anyways, there was this guy on the Sean Hannity show and he called in to the show and the first thing he said was he's gay and a gay conservative. Like we should give him a standing ovation or something. He then goes on to complain about how much headache he gets from people. I was more interested in hearing what he called about ( Sean was discussing the surpreme court decision on the ten commandments ) instead of give him therapy for the tough time he said he was having. What does being gay have to do with anything. Should you get more respect, more sympathy? Still trying to figure that part out.

I have upmost respect for those who serve in the military in any facet. I dont think there is anyone on this earth who isnt related in some way to someone who's served. That being said. I dont think someone should get brownie points for being gay. Part of me wants to say Gay's should be able to serve because its their right if they want to serve their country because putting the gayness aside their still a person and an american with a desire to serve and protect. But, we already have men and women messing around on Navy boats etc..why do we need to throw another equation into it too? I personally feel Gays are trying to push their way into every part of American life so its viewed as "normal". Nothing normal about being gay. But it is normal to want to serve your country and thats my opinion.

[Douglas Adams]

Trust me, gays in the military shut up about it or get beaten half to death. My brother went through basic training and had a gay in the same cycle. He didn't personally do anything, but the guy wasn't well accepted to say the least. The military can handle itself.

[LiberalsAreBabyKillers!]

I wouldn't want gays to be completely kicked out of our army. I mean, If they want to serve their country let one of their good attributes shine through, being gay is simply one of their character flaws and one f**king big one, I'd say. They should be allowed, that is IF, they are doing it to serve their country and not to check out guys. I think that they should have a policy that if they catch them man loving, especially pressing it on someone else they should be, by protocol, severly beaten, but allowed to stay, and then establish a three strikes your out policy, that if they are caught a third time, they get discharged..... he he discharge.

[nerfjohn]

It's not so much the fact that they're gay, but rather their actions that make the difference. USArmyguy made some very good points. I've served with a couple "open" (I use that term loosely) gays, and as long as they were open and honest with the rest of the unit and pulled their own weight, there wasn't really a problem. They understood that a lot of the guys they worked with weren't comfortable with their sexuality, and acted accordingly.

It's also not the men that are causing the majority of the problems, but the 'butch' lesbians that try to shove the issue down your throat. They almost dare you to try and say something, only to immediately run to the MEO office claiming discrimination and sexual harrassment. Individuals like that have a severe negative impact on unit cohesion and camraderie. I agree with the don't ask, don't tell policy only on the grounds that it attempts to make it a non-issue.

[toddy rotton]

It all boils down to "unit cohesion" would "Master Chief" agree? How about "Army guy"? It's no longer "what are your sexual proclivities? (I say support inter-species marriage!) I served and yes a quick out was to tell a chaplain you are gay... pull a nose hair before you do it wells up tears nicely! I did a paper in college on this issue! It got me a 'B'... probably would have been an A at a less liberal school.

[toddy rotton]

i'm begining to think you aren't really a "master chief " if you don't understand "unit cohesion". The point is Homosexuals serve and have always served in the military since there have been pillows to bite on. Before someone gets there speedo's in a bunch let me say "no I am not "homophobic" ever since I was a little boy I knew I liked girls. I'm aware of the climate on the right & left is to move towards acceptance. But no Homosexual should be allowed to be considered an "activist" and still serve in the military "don't ask don't tell however silly that may seem to some is the way it has been except for the "don't ask" when I joined a second class petty officer asked me "Are you a ===?" I'm kinda glad thats over. Still the acts of homosexuals conjures up sickening images to me.

[the-man]

I have the exact same position on issues with recruiting in the military.

I say, if you can pass basic training without help, if you can handle youself on the battlefield, and you can do anything else that is expected of any soildier, I don't give a damn if your ggay or straight, male or female, black or white or orange or green, if you can keep yourself in line, great. We can always use more soildiers.


I sit here on my computer and broadcast truth to attempt to overide the load of bullshit you libs have set upon our country. And I plan on inlisting as soon as I meet the requirements.


MC just summed up my view on this subject.

[Matt Snowden]

Personally, I support the "Don't ask, Don't tell" policy because it makes it a non issue. But if i had to say yes or not to letting gays in the military i would absolutely say yes. Just because they are gay doesn't make them any less effective of a US citizen or soldier. I know that if I were in the military I would be perfectly fine with having gays fighting along my side, just so long as they don't attempt to "invade my cave with their bayonette" so to speak haha :biggrin:. They are still people fighting for the united states army and defending a country that they love, or maybe don't love but still understand and appreciate.

[emptythemag]

Yeah, 'cause gay guys obviously hit on every guy they meet, right? I think not letting gays in the military is a joke. It's terrible, really. You straight guys here back home can bitch about them all you want, but at the end of the day it comes down to the fact that they're putting their butts on the line for your country; they're fighting for something they believe in. And what are you doing? Sitting back home on your ass insulting them. You guys should honor them the same way you honor every other soldier in the military.
Yeah, well I have a problem with it, and I have spent 18 months out of my first enlistment in support of both OIF and OEF. As a male in the military, you are often put in some pretty tight positions with other males. If you have ever seen bootcamp showers, then you know what I am talking about. When there are 50 sausages runnnig around naked in a 20'x20' room, you can only pray to God that one of them is not standing at attention.

Do gay guys hit on every guy they see? Probably not. Do straight guys hit on every girl they see? Most definitely not, but that doeesn't mean that the Marine Corps is going to authorize me to take showers with WM's anytime soon.

My point? Just how it is a violation of a woman's rights to stick a male in her bubble (barracks room, showers, tent), it is a violation of my rights for you to stick a gay male in my bubble. I don't care if he doesn't hit on me, I don't care if he never touches himself while watching me change clothes. . . .it is still an unnecessary discomfort that I shouldn't have to tolerate.

[hairybush]

well I tolerate EATSOAP on a daily basis and im 78.999999% sure he is a little light in the loafers

[EatSoap]

being gay is not for military. you can suck my dick after work but not at it. p.s.
gays are less effective... at the woman pleasing and being not girls
p.p.s you dont inlist you enlist

[aaron22]

I have encountered a few homosexuals in my military adventures. I had no problem with them. They did their job and that was that. As long as they can do there job without certain distractions I say more power too them. The same goes for heterosexuals. We are required to do our jobs without hitting on our female asociates. I do support the "Don't ask, Don't tell" policy. This policy helps to seperate the professional aspect from the "after duty" social aspect of a military members career. By the way well said "emptythemag."