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Bumblebee
02-04-2008, 02:18 AM
This is a very good article, and I believe this lady is right on the money. I hope you all take the time to read it.

by Kyle-Anne Shiver

It's one thing when your political adversaries denounce your Party and hold a gleeful funeral procession with your ashes on public display. We expect our adversaries to behave this way.

It's another thing altogether when your own luminaries dance to the opponent's fight song and give woeful credence to the wishful thinking of your adversaries.

The leftists are having a field day dancing around the near-dead carcass of the Republican Party, and we seem to be joining them at every turn.

Well, enough is enough, I say. It's time for Republicans to get a grip.

Instead of wildly picking at the bark of a single tree here or there, we need to take a step back and look at the forest. Getting bogged down in a single issue, or even three or four, is not Reaganesque.

Polarizing the President Is Paying Big Dividends

The left got its fire lit by two events: (1) the impeachment of their standard bearer; and (2) the contested electoral victory of George W. Bush. That fire might have extinguished itself, however, if not for the huge infusion of cash from leftist billionaire, George Soros, and his wealthy friends.

Put all that money together with a growing network of leftist political action committees. Spin the same message a hundred different ways, amplify it through the mass media and aim all the ammunition at one target: George W. Bush.

The left has effectively polarized President Bush, even to the extent that his own Party believes much of the propaganda. Peggy Noonan wrote just last week that "George W. Bush has destroyed the Republican Party."

Polarization, the tactic espoused by Saul Alinksy, guru to both Obama and Rodham Clinton, is paying big dividends for Soros and his vast left wing coterie of financiers. George Bush, whose college grades at Yale were better than Al Gore's at Harvard, is stupid; the Iraq War is a dismal failure to be ended, despite the victory being won by our troops; the economy, still growing, albeit at a slower pace than before, is in a recession. People in mass numbers believe these lies.

For one thing, the propaganda blitzkrieg has most likely persuaded many ardent conservative politicians to spare themselves and their families the same treatment, thereby keeping them out of the race altogether.

For another, this polarization has resulted in moving the electoral middle slightly left. This, in turn, allows the Democrats to run two of the most far-left, socialist candidates in history and make it seem as though they are America-loving moderates.

I cannot tell you how many genuine, upstanding American citizens I've heard lately say that even they would vote for a Democrat next election just to stopthe constant hate-mongering barrage from the left.

This is much like the attitude of the beleaguered parent who gives in to every childish demand just to stop the tantrum and get a little peace. Americans are wanting a president who cannot be so easily polarized, and they are looking toward the middle.

Moving the middle to the left is forcing the Republicans to run centrist candidates, all of whom have veered off Reagan's path on one or more big issues. That's the big-picture reality, and no amount of protest to the contrary is going to change the picture by this time next week.

But does any of this spell death for the Republican Party?

Only if we let it.

So, what would Ronald Reagan do?

Nobody knows, of course, since he isn't here to tell us. I suspect, however, that the very last thing he would do is start blaming his own. He wouldn't go off half-cocked for all the world to see how his political adversaries had gotten the better of him. And he wouldn't be raising any white flags just because the realities of the political landscape demanded new, slightly different strategies.

Ronald Reagan has been transformed from a living, breathing, human president into a political icon, and I think he would positively hate this.

He would be the first among us, I believe, to demand an end to holding every candidate up to the false picture of conservative perfection we ourselves have created. The problem with making icons is that it is necessary to discount every negative and embellish every positive. When this process is applied to human beings, nothing can result but a false picture that sets its admirers up for failure and disappointment in the long term.

Would Ronald Reagan encourage this childish fantasy? I think not.

And it wouldn't take him five minutes to list the vast differences between one of the Republican centrist candidates and either a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama. Both stand for centralized government solutions to every individual problem. Both stand for expansion of government control on everything from regulating the environment and our health care to an even tighter, iron grip on our education system. Both are internationalists who see America as more of a problem to the world than the source of emulation and better solutions.

When I heard Ann Coulter last week on Hannity and Colmes say that if John McCain is the Republican nominee for President, she would go out and campaign for Hillary Clinton because there isn't a shred of difference between them, I gasped in disbelief. Honestly, I thought the poor dear has completely lost it.

Ronald Reagan was no quitter and he was no fuzzy-brained idealist either. He was a pragmatist all the way, seizing the best opportunity since WWII to bring the Country back rightward. That opportunity had a name: James Earl Carter. There was no vast right wing conspiracy to bring Carter down; he did it all by himself. Reagan dove in and picked up the Country's pieces, and ended the cold war in one preesidency.

But Reagan, of all people would have the good common sense he derived from God to know that 2008 is not 1980. The political landscape has changed, and no amount of fretting, whining, fuming or swearing is going to change that one iota.

Time to get a real grip Republicans. Face reality. And elect a true America-loving centrist who can stop the bleeding. The whole electorate is crying out for an end to the polarizing politics and a man who can truly unite the Country.

We need to do this one for the Gipper.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/time_for_republicans_to_get_a.html

Aurelius
02-04-2008, 06:26 AM
I am really tired of people dragging out the coffin of Ronald Reagan and holding it up like some reliquary. You will undoubtedly disagree with me, he was of course a saint and performed many miracles all by himself during his tenure as president right? I find it very odd that until his death these saintly acts were mired in reality; therefore, bringing them down to a less then divine level.

The rant about "Soros and his wealthy friends" is absolutely ridiculous. The first section of the article is once again following the party line that Bush is a great president. Ignore the wars, ignore protecting you from "terror", and what's left? Failed economic and social programs. No increase in the quality of life, and in many cases a reduction. It's most amusing how she can write that and completely avoid putting any responsibility upon Republicans. I will agree that a centrist has to get voted in and that unfortunately is not McCain and it definitely is not Hillary, here's to you Obama.

The Republican party has failed America and a good lot of people are just coming to realize this as the ramifications begin to manifest.

PonsAsinorum
02-04-2008, 10:53 AM
I cannot tell you how many genuine, upstanding American citizens I've heard lately say that even they would vote for a Democrat next election just to stopthe constant hate-mongering barrage from the left.

This is much like the attitude of the beleaguered parent who gives in to every childish demand just to stop the tantrum and get a little peace. Americans are wanting a president who cannot be so easily polarized, and they are looking toward the middle.

Actually, that sounds a lot like the "Republican at all costs" crowd. Instead of standing up for their beliefs, too many people are willing to compromise their principles by holding their noses and voting Republican, even when they don't like the candidate. They're effectively giving in to every childish demand the Republican Party makes of them. They're willing to give in to stop the Republican Party's tantrum and get a little peace by voting for a waste-of-space candidate. And like placating a brat, their vote only emboldens the Republican Party to continue to give them more and more lame candidates.


And it wouldn't take [Reagan] five minutes to list the vast differences between one of the Republican centrist candidates and either a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama. Both stand for centralized government solutions to every individual problem. Both stand for expansion of government control on everything from regulating the environment and our health care to an even tighter, iron grip on our education system. Both are internationalists who see America as more of a problem to the world than the source of emulation and better solutions.
Vast??? The only differences are how the two parties want to control things. Would a party not dedicated to a stronger centralized government increase the federal budget by 50% (not all of that is defense or homeland security) within the span of two terms? Are we gullible enough to believe that No Child Left Behind -- a massive waste of government $$$ -- was not an attempt to regulate education? How about the Medicare plan of 2003, which happened to be the biggest spending increase in Medicare since it was began?

Hillary definitely doesn't see America as a problem to the world. She just doesn't like the way Bush and the Republicans are doing things. She wants to do things her own way, and it involves spending money and spreading influence throughout the world. But don't for a second believe she's not intereted in making America the bad guy. She just wants the folks running things out of the way so she can control it all.



And as far as polarizing George Bush goes, how difficult is it to paint a man as polarizing when he proudly takes a "you're either with us or against us" approach to politics? So much for being a uniter and not a divider.

BushRocks
02-04-2008, 12:09 PM
"you're either with us or against us"

In foreign policy, in regards to harboring/aiding terrorist organizations he's damn right.

Dr. Madd
02-04-2008, 12:20 PM
Actually, that sounds a lot like the "Republican at all costs" crowd. Instead of standing up for their beliefs, too many people are willing to compromise their principles by holding their noses and voting Republican, even when they don't like the candidate. They're effectively giving in to every childish demand the Republican Party makes of them. They're willing to give in to stop the Republican Party's tantrum and get a little peace by voting for a waste-of-space candidate. And like placating a brat, their vote only emboldens the Republican Party to continue to give them more and more lame candidates.


Vast??? The only differences are how the two parties want to control things. Would a party not dedicated to a stronger centralized government increase the federal budget by 50% (not all of that is defense or homeland security) within the span of two terms? Are we gullible enough to believe that No Child Left Behind -- a massive waste of government $$$ -- was not an attempt to regulate education? How about the Medicare plan of 2003, which happened to be the biggest spending increase in Medicare since it was began?

Hillary definitely doesn't see America as a problem to the world. She just doesn't like the way Bush and the Republicans are doing things. She wants to do things her own way, and it involves spending money and spreading influence throughout the world. But don't for a second believe she's not intereted in making America the bad guy. She just wants the folks running things out of the way so she can control it all.



And as far as polarizing George Bush goes, how difficult is it to paint a man as polarizing when he proudly takes a "you're either with us or against us" approach to politics? So much for being a uniter and not a divider.

Either you're part of the problem or part of the solution.. Considering that you have dished out dislike and venom for anyone NOT Ron Paul, I'd say that YOU are part of the problem.

shotdrops286
02-04-2008, 12:40 PM
Either you're part of the problem or part of the solution.. Considering that you have dished out dislike and venom for anyone NOT Ron Paul, I'd say that YOU are part of the problem.

Either you're part of the problem or part of the solution.. Considering that you have dished out dislike and venom for anyone NOT Republican, I'd say that YOU are part of the problem.


haha this is fun

submarinepainter
02-04-2008, 12:52 PM
I am really tired of people dragging out the coffin of Ronald Reagan and holding it up like some reliquary. You will undoubtedly disagree with me, he was of course a saint and performed many miracles all by himself during his tenure as president right? I find it very odd that until his death these saintly acts were mired in reality; therefore, bringing them down to a less then divine level.

The rant about "Soros and his wealthy friends" is absolutely ridiculous. The first section of the article is once again following the party line that Bush is a great president. Ignore the wars, ignore protecting you from "terror", and what's left? Failed economic and social programs. No increase in the quality of life, and in many cases a reduction. It's most amusing how she can write that and completely avoid putting any responsibility upon Republicans. I will agree that a centrist has to get voted in and that unfortunately is not McCain and it definitely is not Hillary, here's to you Obama.

The Republican party has failed America and a good lot of people are just coming to realize this as the ramifications begin to manifest.

who cares how you feel? social programs are the lefts idea in my opinion a different set of chains, give em checks and they will vote for you, Obama a centrists what a bunch of crapola, he is the most liberal senator how is that centrists?

Dr. Madd
02-04-2008, 12:57 PM
Either you're part of the problem or part of the solution.. Considering that you have dished out dislike and venom for anyone NOT Republican, I'd say that YOU are part of the problem.


haha this is fun

No, because I'm willing to vote Ron Paul if he's nominated. I cannot vouch for the Paulites to return the favor.

submarinepainter
02-04-2008, 02:27 PM
No, because I'm willing to vote Ron Paul if he's nominated. I cannot vouch for the Paulites to return the favor.

3 out 4 at our caucuses here in Westbrook said if Ron Paul did not win the nomination they would the other was non committal, hopefully this more true among all of them as we could use the help, I for one have never dissed their cause or insulted them for this reason I reached out in front of everyone there and a few even gasped!!:icon_lol:

Bumblebee
02-04-2008, 02:48 PM
The rant about "Soros and his wealthy friends" is absolutely ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous, because it's true. Don't you remember how Soros and his ultra-leftist pals funded the "Bush Lied" study to use as propaganda? Soros has been upfront about using his money so the Republicans can lose. He once said he would use his whole fortune if he needed. He has billionaire buddies helping him along.

Topiary Lady
08-01-2010, 01:02 AM
I am really tired of people dragging out the coffin of Ronald Reagan and holding it up like some reliquary. You will undoubtedly disagree with me, he was of course a saint and performed many miracles all by himself during his tenure as president right? I find it very odd that until his death these saintly acts were mired in reality; therefore, bringing them down to a less then divine level.

The rant about "Soros and his wealthy friends" is absolutly ridiculous. The first section of the article is once again following the party line that Bush is a great president. Ignore the wars, ignore protecting you from "terror", and what's left? Failed economic and social programs. No increase in the quality of life, and in many cases a reduction. It's most amusing how she can write that and completely avoid putting any responsibility upon Republicans. I will agree that a centrist has to get voted in and that unfortunately is not McCain and it definitely is not Hillary, here's to you Obama.

The Republican party has failed America and a good lot of people are just coming to realize this as the ramifications begin to manifest.

Failed economic and social programs. No increase in quality of life, and in many - (a shitload) of cases, a reduction - under the leadership on one Barack Hussein Obama - Marxist In Chief.

And most amusing is that Obama voters completly avoid any responsibility for having put this rotten thug into the most powerful position on earth.

The Democratic party has failed America and a good lot of people are just coming to realize this as the ramifications begin to manifest.

Pity that Auri ran away. I'd have loved to see his defense of this administration.

scarymary
08-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Nice find, and absolutely true. I'm glad you dug this one back out TL. If definitely needs to read again and discussed.

Topiary Lady
08-01-2010, 12:52 PM
History - even when as recent as a year and a half ago, teaches us things. That is what I have always said about TAR - it is an interesting study. Sort of like a tiny little time capsule.

I am asking in another thread if anyone has some solutions that they'd like to share with us. So far, nobody has suggested that we LEARN from history and past mistakes. We need to learn how to think critically and understand and accept reality. Truth. It is truth that needs to be at the forefront of our thinking.

Too many people are still in denial and that alone will lead to our downfall as a nation. Open your eyes and SEE, American's. I swear, this is the one thing that just infuriates me. The flat out refusal to accept facts and instead live in some made-up fantasy about how things will work out if only we could wish our way into la-la land. The evil people of the world know this weakness and they prey on it. Ask anyone running a ponzi sheme and they would tell you about this mentality.

And look at the false accusations that were made against so many people. Look at Shotty's post where he claims that we had dished dislike and venom towards anyone who was not Republican. Was that true? Hardly. The thinkers have been and will continue to be critical of people on both sides. We want all of the deceivers to be rooted out and tossed aside.

False accusations towards strong people does not have the desired results of those laying the claims. So again, the history of TAR should be a lesson for some. Question is - will they learn?

peapod
08-17-2010, 08:32 PM
The Republican party has quite a lot of responsibility for where America is right now. If you're true to your preaching, you would be dishing out venom to Republican and Democrat alike. Republicans for compromising their position in the name of "bipartisanship" and appeasement, and Democrats for just being Democrats. Perhaps you have, IDK. I don't have the time to sift through every post.

My opinion is to go back to Constitutional basics. I swear, if I hear one more Republican prop up Lincoln, I'm going to scream...

Isis
08-17-2010, 08:50 PM
both parties have changed over time - the Democrats today are nothing like they used to be....(even Reagan was a Democrat at one time)...they've been taken over by communists and marxist styled progressives.

Republicans need some fresh blood, too many Rinos and old insiders, but there are a lot of new upcoming conservative stars on the horizon - I have hope

peapod
08-17-2010, 08:51 PM
I can't bring myself to be called a Republican at this point. republican, but not Republican.

thumbelina
08-17-2010, 08:57 PM
both parties have changed over time - the Democrats today are nothing like they used to be....(even Reagan was a Democrat at one time)...they've been taken over by communists and marxist styled progressives. American Socialists Release Names of 70 Congressional Democrats in Their Ranks (http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/08/american-socialists-release-names-of-70-congressional-democrats-in-their-caucus/)

Topiary Lady
01-19-2012, 11:38 AM
Bump ... again.