China, the Red Threat

[KSigMason]

Here is another article I've wrote:


China, the Red Threat
by IDARNG Loki

This is a look into what communist China has been doing and what it means to us. I'm here to put some of the pieces together for you.

China has basically been Communist since the civil war it had in the mid 1900s. They have been a pain in our a$$ since then. Recently, as you've probably seen in the news, China fired a missile into space where it destroyed one of it's weather satellites.

This space weapon has a few dimensions to it. Is this supposed a distraction off of North Korea? Highly doubtful. IMO, China is flexing it's military muscles to remind the world it's still a power. Should we pass a space weapons ban? Would China honor it? I honestly don't know, but I seriously doubt it. If this escalates though I worry we won't be able to react in time or with the right numbers (I'll explain in due time). Also remember a certain news article a year or two ago that released information on all American satellites (civilians and military alike). Now if China can shoot down satellites and he has a pretty good idea where our classified and spy satellites, how are we to protect our assets and still keep up our watchful eye. It's really hard to see with a black-eye.

China has taken US officials and analysts by surprise by building their military with such expedience. China is trying to catch up to America to become a competitor in the super powers. They have such a massive ground force that it would be foolish of us to try conventional ground warfare with them. They have been building up their naval assets, but nothing to rival us; their airforce is also in the same boat as their navy. But why a build-up now? It's the perfect time obviously. The one power that can hold back China, the US, is spread throughout the world combatting terrorists and not paying too much attention to them. While we are spread out it is possible that China will try to take Taiwan. Even if they don't get it diplomatically they can get it through other means. Send some Chines Special Operations Forces and cause unrest in the area. Even if they do an all out invasion of the island we wouldn't have time to react in time; the only solution would be either compromise (f*** that) or for the US to fight back.

Why do we want Taiwan though? They don't bring us anything really special. Yeah, their economy kicks butt, but still why? It's simple...democracy. They are a shining example of democracy in a very red area. Is it worth it to fight for such a small asset? IDK, but only time will tell.

Now all the time they are doing this, they are also hindering us in our WOT. Everytime the US tries to get something passed in the UN the Chinese strong arm us and go against with all their will. Sometimes it doesn't make sense, but I think China does it just to weigh us down.

Now if we did go to war with China would it be on our shores or theirs? Most likely it will be over on theirs or near theirs. In this modern time we have moved away from conventional warfare and into a more guerilla style, but with China it won't be much of either; it will be a deluted mix. If I were in charge I would send my naval fleet to protect Japan and any approach into the Pacific from China's naval assets. Then I would send the Air Force in and bomb the holy dog crap out of the country and certain valuable military and government targets. Then I would probably send in a heavy (armoured) ground force. At first it would be somewhat conventional. Once we had a foot-hold though and the Chinese military surpressed it would transition into a guerilla style. This scares me because China's landscape is anything, but kind. The insurgents and terrorists would have so many advantages over us it's not even funny; homefield advantage. And I did say "insurgents and terrorists" because we wouldn't just be fighting Chinese nationals (insurgents), but transnational fighters (terrorists) also. You have North Korea right next door, anti-American Jihadi's in the Indonesia/Phillipines islands, Iran would probably send fighters over, Islamofascists would flock to China, and all the while we would find out where Russia really stands (probably against us, but would wear the mask of "neutrality" while sending a force to support China).

China doesn't bode well in my mind. Whether they attack today, tomorrow, or 10-years they will be America's, and freedom's, next great battle and struggle.Also see my article on "Infanticide in China", coming soon to a Hot Topic near you.

SOURCE (http://political-compass.blogspot.com/2007/04/china-red-threat.html)

[Aurelius]

No, just no.

[Dr. Madd]

Elaborate, Aurelius..

Having my life recently menaced by the Chinese ( A cup I bought got a recall for lead paint), China is trying to kill the next generation.

[KSigMason]

You don't think they are a threat?

They are doing a major military build-up. They have poisoned us without showing any genuine remorse. They are constantly fighting us at the UN. They are basically the puppet master of N Korea.

I've used to do threat anaylysis for a living, that and many military personnel have agreed with this article.

[Wadi66]

KSig, I think you and I will get along just fine. Nice to have another pair of eyes on the forum.

Too many think China isn't a threat. They site ridiculous reasons like economics.

Anyway, welcome aboard.

[Peace_by_superior _power]

I think China is a serious threat, but lets not forget about Russia.

[Dr. Madd]

I think the UN in general is a menace to us, as well as the Chinese and Rooskies.

[Chicky]

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Too many think China isn't a threat. They site ridiculous reasons like economics.

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China is a huge threat to us economically. It's another layer of their offense.

Plus, when we buy Chinese products we are in a way supporting Iran.

I don't like any of it , one bit :mad:

[namvet]

im just wondering if they will wind up like the soviets. deficit spending right into bankruptcy. here's hoping.

and yes someone needs to do something to stop this lead posioning of these toys. its way outta hand. and I don't think the government can keep up with the recalls. now some of these gadgets have lead warning labels on them.

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

and greedy U.S. companies are abandoning American workers in favor of slave labor factories located in China. The question is...When will we the consumers, say enough?


How much of it is greedy US companies, and how much of it is spoiled US Consumers?

How many of you woul dbe willing to pay 25000 bucks for the latest computer?


I'm not excusing US Companies, but you can't load all of the blame on them. THe cost of living in this country remains ridiculously low when compared with other countries.

In order to keep prices reasonably low, production costs need to remain low, one of the most expensive costs to production is employee salaries and benefits.

So, if anyone is going to level blame, lets be fair and point to every reason jobs are leaving the US, and a lot of that has also to do with consumers not willing to accomodate the cost of US jobs remaining in country.

[rightwingxtremist]

No, just no.

Quit being a troll and write something worth responding to.

- N

[Aurelius]

Quit being a troll and write something worth responding to.

I find it difficult to respond to something which I consider so intellectually flawed and based on personal beliefs. Reading back through the article again I see little to post on and a flat out "no" to signify that it is wrong seems the most prudent course.

[PonsAsinorum]

Can someone explain to me why so many so-called conservatives keep electing Republicans to Congress who insist on putting us further and further into debt?

Keep in mind that the biggest buyer of US debt is China. Yes, that glorious red country is buying up our debt. That means that it won't be long until China can threaten to kill the value of the dollar by dumping their over $1 trillion in US dollars. Can we really afford to let China exert influence over us with such threats? Well, it really doesn't seem to matter if we can afford it. We're doing it anyway.

It's not the Chinese military that scares me. It's not the toys. It's the debt they hold. We're going to be economically screwed in an uncomfortable place if we don't change our ways. We've pretty much placed our nuts on the chopping block and are practically begging them to drop the halberd.

[Aurelius]

I think you meant trillion, but pretty much what you said.

[PonsAsinorum]

I was only off by a few orders of magnitude. :icon_lol:

[KSigMason]

I find it difficult to respond to something which I consider so intellectually flawed and based on personal beliefs.Well, usually in an intellectual discussion you would back up your claims of intellectual fallacy. Why is it flawed? Is it because it's based on some of my personal beliefs? I would think that my beliefs are pretty sound since my analytical abilities are pretty good (since I was an analyst in the military). Plus, not all of the article was my idea, a friend and retired-1SG also had a very similar idea. Plus she gave me the idea for this beauty (http://www.theamericanright.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7287).

[FKLBRLS]

American children are being poisoned by Chinese-made toys, many of our pets were sickened and some were killed by tainted wheat gluten imported from China, and greedy U.S. companies are abandoning American workers in favor of slave labor factories located in China. The question is...When will we the consumers, say enough?
And some pro-outsourcers will CONTINUE to tell us that being in this situation with China is "better" for American consumers. Like we are somehow "benefitting" from losing all our manufacturing to slaves in China.

American consumers are RETARDED. Flat-out RETARDED. They could WATCH a slave being whipped and beaten making shit right in front of them, and one look at the "lower" (by like $1) price tag and they forget all about the abuse. People look for the lowest price no matter what, why do you think Walmart is able to treat workers like crap and remain the world's #1 retailer? It's because people DO NOT CARE about where their stuff comes from. Price is all-important.

How much of it is greedy US companies, and how much of it is spoiled US Consumers?

How many of you woul dbe willing to pay 25000 bucks for the latest computer?


I'm not excusing US Companies, but you can't load all of the blame on them. THe cost of living in this country remains ridiculously low when compared with other countries.

In order to keep prices reasonably low, production costs need to remain low, one of the most expensive costs to production is employee salaries and benefits.

So, if anyone is going to level blame, lets be fair and point to every reason jobs are leaving the US, and a lot of that has also to do with consumers not willing to accomodate the cost of US jobs remaining in country.
Funny, if there is SUCH a huge "cost" of US jobs remaining in the country, then why did I only pay a few bucks more for jeans made in Ohio than I would've paid for jeans made in Indonesia? Do you honestly think companies lower prices when they move manufacturing overseas? Heck no, they keep the same prices and have many times the profit. That's why American manufactured goods are similar in cost-prices have NOT been lowered with outsourcing.

And another problem is that China pays the tax on their exports to us, according to that Duncan Hunter video TL showed on that other thread.

WAA, while it may seem scary thinking that prices would go through the roof if manufacturing were brought back to the US, consider this: the Law of Supply states that when prices raise, firms produce more until the supply and demand are at equilibrium. If computers, for example, cost thousands more, firms would produce more of them, putting more on the market, and causing prices to fall. It would go the same for pretty much everything else.

It's not the Chinese military that scares me. It's not the toys. It's the debt they hold. We're going to be economically screwed in an uncomfortable place if we don't change our ways.
And somebody PLEASE tell me why embargo-ing China is a bad idea?

[Aurelius]

Well, usually in an intellectual discussion you would back up your claims of intellectual fallacy. Why is it flawed? Is it because it's based on some of my personal beliefs? I would think that my beliefs are pretty sound since my analytical abilities are pretty good (since I was an analyst in the military). Plus, not all of the article was my idea, a friend and retired-1SG also had a very similar idea. Plus she gave me the idea for this beauty (http://www.theamericanright.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7287).

Well, to start out...


Born and raised in Idaho. Been in the Natioanl Guard for about 5+ years (3 1/2 active). In the civilian world I'm a BSU student, a Mason, and a member of Kappa Sigma. Just finishing with UAV training and will be home.

So, military analyst while a student at BSU? I guess I wasn't aware that the National Guard needed much in the ways of analysis from people who might pilot UAV for them.

The Chinese military buildup is nothing new either. This didn't catch anybody by surprise and it's not exactly like they tried to hide the fact that they have a large army, nuclear weapons, modern air and naval military technology, or that they can shoot down satellites. Hey, guess what... they've had ICBM for a long time so they've pretty much had the technology since then.

Do we really want to have a discussion over strategy during a possible Chinese war that you've dreamt up? This is a political forum, not a discussion for the best way to beat C&C Generals.

Go load up StarCraft or Tiberium Wars and call it a day.

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

Funny, if there is SUCH a huge "cost" of US jobs remaining in the country, then why did I only pay a few bucks more for jeans made in Ohio than I would've paid for jeans made in Indonesia? Do you honestly think companies lower prices when they move manufacturing overseas? Heck no, they keep the same prices and have many times the profit. That's why American manufactured goods are similar in cost-prices have NOT been lowered with outsourcing.

What brands are you refering to? I'd bet that had something to do with it.



WAA, while it may seem scary thinking that prices would go through the roof if manufacturing were brought back to the US, consider this: the Law of Supply states that when prices raise, firms produce more until the supply and demand are at equilibrium. If computers, for example, cost thousands more, firms would produce more of them, putting more on the market, and causing prices to fall. It would go the same for pretty much everything else.

You'd think. however where I"m from, a Harley Davidson Fatboy costs 250 000 bucks, and new Pentium Core 2 Duo costs about 25 000 bucks and a pair of Levi's costs about 600 bucks.

Now, while the currencies are different, and the South African currency is weaker than the dollar, it remains a 1:1 comparisson because the South Africans are earning their currency and spending it. Thus while a pair of Levi's here cost 30 units of income, over there it costs 600 units of income.

I can guarantee that every one of the items listed above would be in demand over there were it not for the exorbitant cost to them.

Like I said, the cost of living here remains ridiculously low here, a lot of it has to do with the fact that jobs are being outsourced. Not all of, but a lot of it. And this occurs because A) Companies want to make a larger profit and B) They consumers won't pay 600 bucks for a pair of jeans.

[KSigMason]

So, military analyst while a student at BSU? I guess I wasn't aware that the National Guard needed much in the ways of analysis from people who might pilot UAV for them.I hold both MOS's. Well, I joined in early Jan 2002 and went to Basic Training that summer between my highschool junior and senior year (National Guard allows you to go while you are 17); went to Intel Analyst down at Huachuca school after I graduated HS in 2003; went to Hawaii to do a warfighter with 25th ID; went to Camp Asaka, Japan, to train with the Fuji School BDE; deployed to Texas, NY, and Louisiana to train for deployment in Iraq; worked in Iraq as the Division Database Manager, Assistant to the BDE Senior Intel Analyst, and eventually became the Imagery Analyst; and then this last year I went back Huachuca to take on a 2nd MOS, which is UAV Operator. When I came back from Huachuca my unit did a JANUS exercise where I was Battalion S2 NCOIC (and I'm only an SPC/E-4). Soon I'll be going to North Carolina (Fort Bragg to help out with some stuff there). I did one semester at Boise State between coming home from Iraq and going back to Huachuca and now I am currently attending. I think that going to the military first really helped out with my college work.


Do we really want to have a discussion over strategy during a possible Chinese war that you've dreamt up? This is a political forum, not a discussion for the best way to beat C&C Generals.

Go load up StarCraft or Tiberium Wars and call it a day.You know, I've never played Command & Conquer: Generals, Tiberium Wars, Starcraft, Warcraft, D&D, and any of those games. I have played only a few games: Call of Duty 4, the Halo series, and Battlefield 1941.

[scarymary]

I think I find myself agreeing with Pons on this. China, while we may not like it, does hold a huge amount of our debt. It definitely would be chaotic if they elected to dump that debt. I'm sure it would have a very negative effect on our economy not only here, but around the world. And China isn't the only country who holds some of our debt. Abu Dhubai, I recall, sometime last week or the week before, bought up some debt from Citigroup. I'm not quite sure if this would be considered the same type of debt, but it is probably relatively close in principal I would think.

[PonsAsinorum]

WAA, while it may seem scary thinking that prices would go through the roof if manufacturing were brought back to the US, consider this: the Law of Supply states that when prices raise, firms produce more until the supply and demand are at equilibrium. If computers, for example, cost thousands more, firms would produce more of them, putting more on the market, and causing prices to fall. It would go the same for pretty much everything else.

Are you suggesting prices will return to their present levels despite an increase in costs?

[KSigMason]

I'm surprised I don't have a witty remark from Aurelius. Or did my qualifications subdue you for now?:icon_twis

[FKLBRLS]

What brands are you refering to? I'd bet that had something to do with it.
I am referring to AllAmericanClothing, which is based in your home state of Ohio, Arcanum to be exact. My jeans were shipped from Dayton and cost only 2 bucks more than a pair of Levis shipped from Central America, where labor costs are below $1 an hour.

Outsourcing has NEVER reduced prices. In fact, prices have only risen (sometimes along with inflation, sometimes not) in the past 25 years, while the manufacturing of those products was supposedly "reduced" in cost. In reality all outsourcing has meant was an extortion Rockefeller-ish profit.

You'd think. however where I"m from, a Harley Davidson Fatboy costs 250 000 bucks, and new Pentium Core 2 Duo costs about 25 000 bucks and a pair of Levi's costs about 600 bucks.

Now, while the currencies are different, and the South African currency is weaker than the dollar, it remains a 1:1 comparisson because the South Africans are earning their currency and spending it. Thus while a pair of Levi's here cost 30 units of income, over there it costs 600 units of income.

I can guarantee that every one of the items listed above would be in demand over there were it not for the exorbitant cost to them.

Like I said, the cost of living here remains ridiculously low here, a lot of it has to do with the fact that jobs are being outsourced. Not all of, but a lot of it. And this occurs because A) Companies want to make a larger profit and B) They consumers won't pay 600 bucks for a pair of jeans.
Oh, so did a pair of jeans cost the equivalent of 600 units of today's income back in the 70s when jeans were still made here? Were jeans terribly expensive when they were made in America before their production was sent to places as far away as MONGOLIA?

And I personally posses a computer part that was assembled in America and cost just as much as a foreign-assembled part. My EVGA videocard was assembled in the USA of both foreign and imported parts. Now, "parts" denotes semiconductor chips, which are ALREADY produced in this country anyway. All EVGA has to do is buy more American chips, and my GeForce 8600 would be total American. An Intel processor costs the same in this country even though it could've been made here OR in Malaysia.

We had a low cost of living before jobs were outsourced.

[Dr. Madd]

I think I find myself agreeing with Pons on this. China, while we may not like it, does hold a huge amount of our debt. It definitely would be chaotic if they elected to dump that debt. I'm sure it would have a very negative effect on our economy not only here, but around the world. And China isn't the only country who holds some of our debt. Abu Dhubai, I recall, sometime last week or the week before, bought up some debt from Citigroup. I'm not quite sure if this would be considered the same type of debt, but it is probably relatively close in principal I would think.


I think we should close trade with China, pay them back the money and never work with them again.