Pharmacists Sue Over Morning-After Pill

[thumbelina]

Pharmacists have sued Washington state over a new regulation that requires them to sell emergency contraception, also known as the "morning-after pill."

In a lawsuit filed in federal court Wednesday, a pharmacy owner and two pharmacists say the rule that took effect Thursday violates their civil rights by forcing them into choosing between "their livelihoods and their deeply held religious and moral beliefs." Link (http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/thrive/2007/jul/26/072605949.html)

[submarinepainter]

the pharmacists are correct they should not be made to go agaists their religion. I bet that if a muslim wanted to wash his feet he could??@!

[Dr. Madd]

I'd sue the state, too. This is making choose between free enterprise and my religion. What the Pharmacists should do is get together and close shop for one day.

[Red Chevy]

Why didn't these pharmacists think about this before they chose their profession?

[Guns R Cool]

Why didn't these pharmacists think about this before they chose their profession?

And like any profession, they have the right to choose what goods and services they provide. If they don't want to sell a certain pill, the government has no right telling them they have to.

[LovetoSki]

You guys werent saying this when the discussion was about Muslim cabbies not picking up people with alcohol becasue thats against their religion, just another example of the obvious hypocrasy of the right and one more example of religion poisoning everything. If your religion beliefs conflict with your job, get another f"ing job. If a pharamacist refuses to provide a fully legal drug that was prescribed by that persons doctor, they should atutomatically lose their license to be a pharamacist.

[submarinepainter]

:icon_lol:
You guys werent saying this when the discussion was about Muslim cabbies not picking up people with alcohol becasue thats against their religion, just another example of the obvious hypocrasy of the right and one more example of religion poisoning everything. If your religion beliefs conflict with your job, get another f"ing job. If a pharamacist refuses to provide a fully legal drug that was prescribed by that persons doctor, they should atutomatically lose their license to be a pharamacist.

its not the same not giving out 1 pill out of thousands and not picking up a ====ing handicapped with an assit dog you think thats the same??

[swampfox]

The pharmacists shouldnt be forced to sell the drug, i bet theres plenty of other pharmacists who will so its not a very big deal.

As for the muslim cabbie drivers, i wouldnt pick someone with alcohol if i was a cabbie either. They could become loud and a disturbance or do something stupid while they were drunk, if they had a friend with them, then that would be diffrent.

[submarinepainter]

also their are some who will give it out. the reason its so different to me is abortion is murder plain and simple ,the muslim cabbies refusing to pick up handicapped persons w/ assit dogs are just trying to turn this country, lovetoski will you defend a catholics right to pray in school ?

[Dr. Madd]

LtS... Do you have a weedeater?




You guys werent saying this when the discussion was about Muslim cabbies not picking up people with alcohol becasue thats against their religion, just another example of the obvious hypocrasy of the right and one more example of religion poisoning everything.

That tired old saw again? *groans* The Muslim Cabdrivers were wrong
because they are against the will of the Majority. People drink in the country.
A lot of people drink, and few of those of us who do not have a problem with that. If they'd do a poll of the people (Outside Liberal hotbeds like Frisco, Chicago, and NYC), they'd find most people do not want to kill their babies.
I have a question I've been fairly itching to ask you.. What did a religious PERSON EVER do to you? Or is it just that you fear religion because it'll make you hold to an account of your misdeeds?



If your religion beliefs conflict with your job, get another f"ing job. If a pharamacist refuses to provide a fully legal drug that was prescribed by that persons doctor, they should atutomatically lose their license to be a pharamacist.

I call BS. I don't want the government to tell me what to carry in my place of business. If they sell the Morning after pill, The Fetus dies, and that's on their conscience. If a Muslim Cabbie drives an Alcoholic home, then the Drunk sleeps it off, and all is right with the world. Honestly, you liberals and your cult of death.

[dixiegirl]

i own two weedeaters....just to be safe

i really have no input on this political discussion because i pretty much agree with everybody who isn't named LTS.... i just wanted to say the above....

[Anti-Liberal1026]

I got 2 Brushcutters and one weedeater :icon_twis if I only I had a 3rd hand


You guys werent saying this when the discussion was about Muslim cabbies not picking up people with alcohol becasue thats against their religion, just another example of the obvious hypocrasy of the right and one more example of religion poisoning everything. If your religion beliefs conflict with your job, get another f"ing job. If a pharamacist refuses to provide a fully legal drug that was prescribed by that persons doctor, they should atutomatically lose their license to be a pharamacist.So if it was legal for me to blow your brains out with a .45 thats ok with you?

[alwaysRight]

You guys werent saying this when the discussion was about Muslim cabbies not picking up people with alcohol becasue thats against their religion, just another example of the obvious hypocrasy of the right and one more example of religion poisoning everything. If your religion beliefs conflict with your job, get another f"ing job. If a pharamacist refuses to provide a fully legal drug that was prescribed by that persons doctor, they should atutomatically lose their license to be a pharamacist.

There's a big difference between pharmacists not given out a morning after pill and a taxi cab driver not picking up people because they have alchohol.

A cab driver has a duty to pick up people. That's their job. If they do not pick up someone who has been drinking and that person goes and drives their car home and kills someone, the taxi driver should be liable. Their decision not to pick up that person could cause someone else harm.

The pharmacists givin a morning after pill can CAUSE someone else harm. That someone being an unborn baby.

A pharmacists job is not to aid in the assisting of an abortion as far as I know.

A cab driver's job is to pick people up.

[Madcowhunter]

I disagree on the cab driver debate.

For whatever reason, a cab driver should retain the right to refuse service to anyone. Unless of course the cab driver belonged to a larger branch, and by refusing service he broke the branch's regulations. In which case, it is the duty of his company to administer punishment. Or if the person the cab driver rejected had already paid, which I highly doubt since cab drivers are supposed to be paid afterwards.

You cannot hold anyone legally accountable for failing to do a job that nobody paid for. These pharmacists reserve the right to withhold sales on certain goods, and cab drivers reserve the right to withhold their services on certain people.

[Dr. Madd]

i own two weedeaters....just to be safe

i really have no input on this political discussion because i pretty much agree with everybody who isn't named LTS.... i just wanted to say the above....


Dixie... Be a dear and PM Anti-liberal 1026 about Weedeaters.:icon_twis

[Dr. Madd]

Lovestoski.. There's a question I've been fairly itching to ask you.
I've heard you railing about religion ever since I joined TAR. When it comes to religion you've groaned like a Snapping turtle with a belly full of rubber minnows for a year. You seem to think you've uncovered a problem.
Now I ask you.. What do you propose to do about it? No hemming or hawing.. No skirting, flipping flopping, slipping sliding or backpeddling. I want to see a list of solutions.

[LovetoSki]

also their are some who will give it out. the reason its so different to me is abortion is murder plain and simple ,the muslim cabbies refusing to pick up handicapped persons w/ assit dogs are just trying to turn this country, lovetoski will you defend a catholics right to pray in school ?


Of course a catholic can pray in school. No one has, or ever will, stop anyone from praying in school. it just cant be school run where the PUBLIC school endorses one religion over another. no one is stopping any catholic from bowing their heads and saying a prayer before an algebra test. So stop with the prayer in school issue....its a tired old straw man argument. Again, no one has EVER said you cant pray in school....deal with it and stop acting like christians are being persecuted. Its laughable.

And didnt jesus himself (dont feel like opening up my bible to find the exact quote) make statments about praying in public...thats its for show? Something along those lines.

[LovetoSki]

Lovestoski.. There's a question I've been fairly itching to ask you.
I've heard you railing about religion ever since I joined TAR. When it comes to religion you've groaned like a Snapping turtle with a belly full of rubber minnows for a year. You seem to think you've uncovered a problem.
Now I ask you.. What do you propose to do about it? No hemming or hawing.. No skirting, flipping flopping, slipping sliding or backpeddling. I want to see a list of solutions.


I dont think anything should be done about it, nothing can be done. Its my belief that over time these silly beliefs will fade into memory and be looked at as myths just like all the other gods that humans have invented over the years. its already happening in Europe and in many parts of this country. The less control the church has over people, or the synogogue, or the mosque.......the better the future for all of us. The less people think tht they and their kind alone have a direct path to God, and all others are going to roast in torture forever, the better chance we have at an actual lasting peace. When people wake up and relaize that, like it or not, this life is all we will ever know, maybe people woulndt be as quick to jump to war, murder and terror to make their God happy.

[LovetoSki]

And Im not supporting abortion either, ive consitently stated that Im against abortion. I have never supported it...now whether or not taking a pill the morning after and destroying a couple of cells (dont even try to say that a few cells the morning after sex is a baby) is abortion is up for debate. But i do belive if you can do the deed you can accept the consequences. but a pharamcist should not get in the way of a doctor and his patient. Whats next, an oncologist who wont give chemo and ops for prayer instead? Religious beliefs have no business in your profession, if they conflict, chose another profession. I work for one of the largest health insurance companies in the world. Isnt a christian tenet to help the poor and sick? Well we make billions off the sick, what if every christian here refused to do their job becasue we deny coverage to someone with leukemia becasue it was pre-existing and allow them to die. I bet jesus would be against that too dont you think? there is no difference.......

[Chicky]

My two cents.

What is different about this case than other "pharmacist won't fill morning-after pill prescription" is because the store owner is saying it will not carry or dispense that drug, not just the pharmacists who work there.

When does government have a right to say what is required to be stocked on a private businesses shelves? The business owner has every right to run their business as they see fit.

And as far as the muslim cabbies, if their business owner says to pick up people whether they've been drinking or not - then they need to pick up everyone. If they don't like the rules then they should go buy their own cab and discriminate all they want.

[Chicky]

I work for one of the largest health insurance companies in the world.............................. Well we make billions off the sick, what if every christian here refused to do their job becasue we deny coverage to someone with leukemia becasue it was pre-existing and allow them to die. ...

My opinion of Large Health Insurance companies is that they do want people do die, why else would they decline certain tests for someone who has already been diagnosed with advanced cancer and make the doctor submit a written plea to the board of directors of the Large Health Insurance company, which takes a couple of weeks to get an answer.
:mad:

[Dr. Madd]

I dont think anything should be done about it, nothing can be done.

A passive non-answer.Then why all the grumbling?





Its my belief that over time these silly beliefs will fade into memory and be looked at as myths just like all the other gods that humans have invented over the years.

Oh, and After nearly 5000 years, Judaism still walks the earth, and Christianity and Buddhism have outlived their creators by a couple millenia.
Voltaire predicted the same thing, and one hundred years after his death,
A bible company bought his house and turned it into a factory making bibles.
I'd say Religion is here to stay. Science is a cold, unyielding, uncomforting
God. And the Invented Gods have gone away. The real ones (Christ and Yahweh) Are here to stay.





its already happening in Europe and in many parts of this country.

Only in the intellectual community where people think themselves too
"Sophisticated" to believe in God. A lot of pretentious falderoll from these
smarmy elitists. And until you can prove that life comes from non-life, you will have religion. How are those Amino Acids coming along, there? And in Europe, they are turning from Christianity, sadly, to Islam.. So it's not happening.




The less control the church has over people, or the synogogue, or the mosque.......the better the future for all of us.

The church and GOD does not want control over people. Only Atheism wants control over people. The Church welcomes people in with open arms.


The less people think tht they and their kind alone have a direct path to God, and all others are going to roast in torture forever, the better chance we have at an actual lasting peace.


Morality cannot be an intellectual thing. Left to their own devices, the Atheists rape, pillage, burn and hate. Look at Berlin in 1945 at the hands of the Red Army. When you remove God from the equation of morality, all right and wrong are handed down by the state, which becomes all powerful.
The Godless Utopia you dream of would be a literal hell on earth. You think the church restricts freedoms? Wait till the Atheists rule. By the way...
When was the last time you darkened the door of Church?


When people wake up and relaize that, like it or not, this life is all we will ever know, maybe people woulndt be as quick to jump to war, murder and terror to make their God happy.

I'm a Christian, and I don't desire to spread my religion by the sword.
In Fact, I don't know a single Christian who does. But I know plenty of Atheists who rail constantly against a God they claim not to believe in.

[LovetoSki]

Atheist evolutionists have no business professing their B.S. beliefs to anyone with opposing beliefs, if they conflict the atheist evolutionist should just SHUT UP!

Well at least we attempt to use facts that can be proven rather than blind belief in some old book....but we already had a religious debate on here and it goes nowhere.

[Dr. Madd]

Well at least we attempt to use facts that can be proven rather than blind belief in some old book....but we already had a religious debate on here and it goes nowhere.


And that's because you still cannot answer one question.. Where did LIFE come from?

[LovetoSki]

And that's because you still cannot answer one question.. Where did LIFE come from?

Where did the first Microbe come from billions and billions of years ago? i dont know, maybe on an asteroid from a distant star....where did that come from? i dont know, maybe from an exploding supernova that blew apart a whole solar system millions of years before that. I dont claim to know, but God didnt say let there be light and within the next 6 days all animals and plants popped into existence....that i can guarantee.

And your little morality argument, that only god and religion can create morality is completly lacking. You act as though before moses came down from the temple mount, people thought it was fine to kill and steal as much as they want. God didnt make morality, its societal evolution. we wouldnt have lasted very long if it was thought of as OK to kill and steal from your neighbor whenever you chose. Look at every single social animal...take lions for example. they arent killing eachother en mass....becasue they wouldnt last. Morality is evolitonary and is necessary for the survival of the species, expecially for social animals like ourselves.