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[IHL]

<img align=left textalign=top hspace=5 vspace=5 src="http://www.foxnews.com/images/157691/0_14_lunsford_jessica.jpg"></img></IMG>I'd like someone to explain to me why a man who is a convicted sex offender, has been arrested for indecent exposure, has charges of fondling children under 16 years of age, has been arrested for carrying a concealed weapon, and has a criminal record that includes 24 arrest for burglary is free and able to walk the streets only to abduct and kill a 9 year old girl. Can some of our liberal members explain this passion for being soft on criminals.

Now I'm not blaming this case on a liberal but I do think it is fair so say that liberal judges are much more guilty of being soft of these scumbags. It's not like they didn't know this guy was a danger to society. He had 24 arrests for burglary!! And when they put this guy in jail in 1978 for one of the burglaries, they sentenced him to 10 years. Not nearly enough but it's a start. And what happens? They let him out after only 2 years! Why? What could this guy possible have done to deserve to be let out? Can you image breaking into people's homes 24 times? It's hard enough to imagine doing it, let alone being given the opportunity to do it. Whatever happened to three strikes and you're out?

This whole thing makes me sick. And for those of you who don't believe in the death penalty - you are wrong. And this is a perfect example why. This guy had been given more than enough chances to change his behavior. Obviously he is never going to change. He is a crook, a danger to society, a danger to little children and now admits to killing an innocent little girl. The guy has no rights anymore - he gave them up long ago. As soon as he admitted to killing the girl and knowing where the body was and there was absolutely no question of his involvement, I would have loved to see one of the cops pull out his revolver and end this guys existence right there on the spot. "Game over, thanks for playing." Because I can tell you one thing for sure. If this was my child and I had half an opportunity to snuff this guy out, he'd be a dead man. And the ironic thing is, some liberals judge would lock me up for life so quick it would make your head spin. And if they ever let this guy out, it would be my mission to hunt him down and kill him.

Go ahead you liberals. Defend this guy. Tells us what a terrible childhood he had. Tell us how his mother drank while he was in the womb. Tell us how society failed this poor man and how it isn't his fault. And then talk to the 24 victims of burglary, the countless little children he molested and talk to the parents of Jessica Lunsford and explain why their daughter is gone. This case was 100% avoidable. The judges that continually were soft on this guy should be sitting in this guy lap when he fries in the chair.

[chi1088]

I wouldn't defend this guy. Anyone who burglarizes deserves jail time. Anyone who molests and kills deserves a lot of jail time. Nobody deserves the death penalty. I could never be in favor of the death penalty, and I will stand by that. It's a bad practice, and it could never be done properly.

There are so many loopholes judicially for this guy to get off. It isn't the death penalty...it's everything in the whole system- prisons, courts, etc. The judicial system is so corrupt or messed up in procedure right now. There's a book by Andrew Napolitano called Constitutional Chaos. It highlights many of our country's mishaps judicially. I'd recommend looking at some of what it talks about.

Why would any liberal defend this guy if this is all true? This question goes out to the liberals that IHL hopes to provoke. Why if this is all true do conservatives expect people with our minds to defend a burglar, molester, and a possible murderer?

[Hillrunner]

I could never be in favor of the death penalty, and I will stand by that. It's a bad practice, and it could never be done properly.


I strongly disagree. Don't get me wrong i do understand that our system is flawed and needs reform; however, in cases where we know without convicting someone on circumstantial evidence they are guilty of murder we should not hesitate to use capitol punishment. Before chi088 jumps on me i would like to throw out a question to everyone. Is it better for 10 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man be convicted. I strongly believe that we must do our very best to ensure that we never convict an innocent man because this is the greatest of crimes. Now saying that i believe it is very important that i point out that in a case such as this where a man openly admits to raping and killing an innocent child or in any case where we know without a shadow of a doubt that someone is guilty of murder or rape in my opinion we not only have a right to use the death penalty but a moral responsibility to society and to God.

I can't even believe that anyone could argue for sparing this man's life its sick and like IHL said if it was my daughter and he wasn't sentenced to die you can bet your life i would make it my life goal to ensure a slow and painful death to that SOB and he would be wishing for the electric chair. If it was like the good old days he probably would have never seen the inside of a courtroom if he admited to raping and killing a child. He would have been lenched! Now i have no desire to go back to a time like that but i do believe that when government fails to do its number one job which is protect its citizens not from themselves but from others than it is time to replace it.

[Madcowhunter]

She was the victim of the crime, an innocent girl's death was avoidable. Isn't that what the Judges are supposed to protect? Innocence! How can a judge ever call himself innocent again, when he could have avoided this crime by putting a criminal to death, the life of a girl was in his hands, I don't care if he didn't realize it, he is supposed to protect innocence and he failed by releasing this man.

If you had the chance to stop a murder, and you didn't take that chance, you too are guilty.

[teens4bush]

This man deserves the ultimate punishment, but due to his cooperation, he will probably get life w/o parole. Even though I am a supporter of capital punishment, I am not concerned if he doesn't get it. Sex offenders and child molesters have such a miserable time, capital punishment would be a blessing for this sick bastard.

My prayers go out to the Lunsford family.

[Madcowhunter]

He is a murderer, it doesn't matter if death is a blessing for him, it is for the protection of others.

[Hillrunner]

He is a murderer, it doesn't matter if death is a blessing for him, it is for the protection of others.

Totally agree and i don't think the taxpayers should be paying for him to "suffer" in prison. I don't care how bad he would have it he deserves the death penalty! Can you imagine being the father of that girl and knowing that you are now paying for him to live in prison and eat three meals a day with cable tv probably.

[DoubleU]

It's a bad practice, and it could never be done properly.
What about starving/dehydrating a criminal to death, that is acceptable right? I mean you saw Million Dollar Baby right?


IHL,
I don't think you understand how liberals think, it is societies fault a criminal turns out to be a criminal so the best thing to do is turn him/her back to society as quickly as possible as to show society how they did wrong.

[chi1088]

IHL,
I don't think you understand how liberals think, it is societies fault a criminal turns out to be a criminal so the best thing to do is turn him/her back to society as quickly as possible as to show society how they did wrong.

I don't think you get it DoubleU. I don't think like that. I clearly said that I don't think this man should get off easy. You failed to understand what was written or else you are illiterate. I know you can read though.

Go to the Right to Die Where Is Hollywood on This to talk about Million Dollar Baby and Terri. I saw the movie and liked it a lot. Hope to hear from you on that thread. But I am all about staying on topic.

[Guns R Cool]

Michael Moore does a good job of accusing America for teen violence today in his film, Bowling for Columbine.

It's the parent's fault. Most people grow to be the way they are by what happens to them in the first 5-6 years of life.

[IHL]

I'll agree it's not fair to lump all liberals into the same mold on this one. And I'm sure that some liberals think he should fry. My point is that if anyone in this world would start that drivel about how it is societies fault, and he was a victim, and all that - it would be a liberal.

The argument about the death penalty being too good for this guy is another pet peeve of mine. I don't care about him. I don't care what is good for him, or what is bad for him or anything to do with him. I want him gone. I don't want to pay to keep him alive, I don't want to pay to feed him. I don't want to take the chance that some pantie waste liberals judge will have some sort of epiphany and let him go again. I want him rotting six feet under ground. It's not about him. Screw him. For once let's think about what is good for the rest of us regarding this maggot. Kill him. Preferable a slow, painful, tortuous death but we know that won't happen. So get rid of him and move on.

[Guns R Cool]

Kill him now so we can relax, this guy should have been gona a long time ago.
Of all of the offenses he committed, how is he still not in jail?

[God v2.0]

I would have to say, although I support the death penalty, it would be intereesting to put this bastard into a prison and tell him not to drop the soap.

I seriously want to know why the hell nobody knew about it.

I am also angry at the fact that the media picks up on this one story, while completely ignoring the countless children kidnapped and murdered each day.

If this was my kid, I would ask for 2 hours alone with this guy, to tear a page from Pulp Fiction go mideval on his ass with some vice grips and a blow torch.

[Republican_Anthem]

This guy doesn't deserve to have his rights said to him. I think he has already heard them to repeat them to himself.

If there is any lawyer that is willing to defend this man, should be put in jail. I am serious. If you are willing to defend a man who has had more than enough chances to change his ways, then you deserve to go to jail.

Sure, he has the right to a lawyer, but is there a lawyer out there who will try and not give him the death penalty?

I mean, come on, chi1088 my man, do you really think he won't get the death penalty?

[DoubleU]

If there is any lawyer that is willing to defend this man, should be put in jail. I am serious. If you are willing to defend a man who has had more than enough chances to change his ways, then you deserve to go to jail.

There is always a lawyer willing to defend the guilty. This case will bring national attention to the law firm and the lawyer. You bet the lawyers are lining up.

[Madcowhunter]

Nobody deserves the death penalty.
What would you propose we do with men like Bin Laden?

[riverman]

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[Topiary Lady]

That bastard gave a NINE YEAR OLD CHILD the DEATH PENALTY chi1088!!! He does not deserve to live another minuite on ths earth. You need to get a clue here. That guy does not even qualify as a human being for what he has done. If IHL's dog bit a nine year old child, it would be quarantined, and if it ever bit again, it would be destroyed. But you want to let this monster live? I don't freaking think so. If I were the mother of that child, I'd kill that monster myself, given the chance. The legal system failed this girl and her family. They are the ones with rights here. Not Mr. career criminal, child rapist and murderer. He get's nothing but 'Old Sparkie' in my opinion. I'd be more than happy to throw the switch for him too.

How typical of liberals to defend this monsters right to live. Kill unborn babies. Cut them to pieces and suck them from thier mothers wombs and throw them out like garbage. But when it comes to a guy who RAPES AND MURDERS A NINE YEAR OLD CHILD, the liberals suddenly 'choose life'.

chi1088, screwed up people like you are exactly the reason why sites like this exhist.

By the way chi, my 1 1/2 year old neice was sexually molested, tortured (burned) and beaten by a monster just like this guy. That child died a death so horrific, it would make even the strongest of men cry like babies. That monster did not get the death penalty. In fact, he is out of prison. I don't have any idea where this bastard lives. I have no idea who else he may victimize. You have any kids chi? I sincerely hope that someone like that is not lurking in your neighborhood!

Kill babies, but don't kill the killers of nine year old girls. Give me a damn break.

[Madcowhunter]

I say take him to the "town square" and hang him in public

That's good and all :icon_bigg
But I was talking to Chi, since he beleives no one deserves the death penalty, I was curious what he thinks we should do with a man that had 3000+ innocent civillians killed in one setting.

[Guns R Cool]

I started a poll called capitol punishment, state your opinions about the death sentence there.

[riverman]

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[Republican_Anthem]

But chi1088...without capital punishment, how will you get rid of the scum of society?

Like Scott Peterson, Timothy McVay, and others. What will we do with them. Let them actually live their lives?

Come on, let's be frank. Why don't we give capital punishment to the extreme offenders, like Charles Manson, or the Son of Sam? Shouldn't they get the death penalty?

And if they don't get the death penalty, we will have to hold them in maximum security prisons. And because of these insane cults in America, some ex-death rower will be out on the streets.

That is unless we hike up prison costs on security...which means...we have to raise taxes. :eek:

So can you find a better way to cage these animals?

We tried sending them to Australia, but somehow they turned into a weird, successful nation that likes to wear short shorts...

[chi1088]

...Kill babies, but don't kill the killers of nine year old girls. Give me a damn break.

I'm sorry to hear that. What you describe of the man though is not a result of him not receiving the death penalty. It's a result of a judicial system that is flawed. There are too many loopholes for criminals to use to get back on the streets.

I won't give you a damn break though. I still do not believe in the death penalty.

[chi1088]

That is unless we hike up prison costs on security...which means...we have to raise taxes. :eek:

So can you find a better way to cage these animals?

We tried sending them to Australia, but somehow they turned into a weird, successful nation that likes to wear short shorts...

Well, we can make prisons worse. Some of those quarters are comfy enough that I might stay the night in them if I had no home to go to. Prisons need to be feared again. I would pay more tax money to keep criminals in jail. Money goes towards death row. I'd rather put it on something I can depend on because I never know if the criminal on death row will actually die or not. He could appeal and get off especially if we wait a couple decades to kill the criminal. For people like Topiary Lady, that's not good.

[Republican_Anthem]

Well, we can make prisons worse. Some of those quarters are comfy enough that I might stay the night in them if I had no home to go to. Prisons need to be feared again. I would pay more tax money to keep criminals in jail. Money goes towards death row. I'd rather put it on something I can depend on because I never know if the criminal on death row will actually die or not. He could appeal and get off especially if we wait a couple decades to kill the criminal. For people like Topiary Lady, that's not good.

But that's exactly the problem. Making prisons worse.

The ACLU will suddenly scream at the government for infringing on their human rights. How are we going to get past the ACLU?

If we need to make the prisons more like hell...I am all for it. Make it so bad that the prisoners do not ever want to go back...which, in turn, will hopefully make them innocent for the rest of their lives.