Mt. Soledad Memorial

[Topiary Lady]

</IMG><img align=left textalign=top hspace=5 vspace=5 src="http://soledadnational.com/content/images/corner__1_1_9829.jpg"></img>Since I mentioned this in another post, I thought I might pass on the information about it here. There was a brief segment last night on Hannity and Colmes about the Korean War Memorial atop Mt. Soledad here in San Diego. The memorial includes a large cross that is now in danger of being removed. This is particularily sad for me because it is a place I have enjoyed visiting throughout my life, and also because my father fought in the Korean war as well as the Vietnam war.

If the cross is removed from this memorial I will have to wonder if the next target will be the picking crosses off of the gravesites at Arlington. This needs to be stopped.

I thought you all might like to read about this. www.soledadnational.com (http://www.soledadnational.com/)

[God v2.0]

God bless your father.

This is an example of when secularism goes too far.

I got your back, dont have money to donate, but if there is an out-of state petition, i would sign it.

[riddle]

What about all of the crosses here in Utah that signify where the Highway Patrol officers have given there life to serve and protect? Where will it stop!?! When will they learn to just leave things alone? I'm not Catholic and my church doesn't use the cross a symbol. We in no way see it as a religous sign. I do, however, see it as an memorial to the eternal sacrifice that those individuals had made for me AND the rest of us. He/she gave his life in sevice for me. I for one will not tarnish his memory by being a part of it. We can not, as a nation, survive without tolerance. Where would we be today if it wern't for the GOD fearing rebels in 1776 hadn't shed there blood for us? Just as much as the Constituion is a memorial to those who bled for our freedom, these memorials stand as a witness that there are still those in America who would fight for their (and the thankless athiest's/ACLU's/ect.'s) freedom today.

[Guns R Cool]

Pretty soon it will be illegal to put a cross on the side of a highway to mourn the death of someone being killed in an accident. Screw political correctness.

[IHL]

Thank you TL. In case you hadn't noticed, I moved your post to the main page. If that cross is removed, it will be an abomination and slap in the face to all that served.

Contrary to what many of you might think, I am not a religious person but to remove this cross would be wrong.

[bird]

I'm sorry TL, that is a sad situation which I really do not understand -
oh yeah, sorry - it must be political!

I sincerely hope you can continue to cherish the memorial which brings you comfort. :smile:

[jackalope_herder]

Isnt' there a cross on just about every grave at Arlington National Cemetary? If they take down one cross, they have to take them all, and that would really piss some people off.

[dijhili]

Its just sad how all these liberal and democrats keep drawing more and more lines of segragation.

I have an idea..why not go to places like the ACLU , PETA and all these other idiotic clans and tell them you want membership but will speak out against them. Then, after they refuse your membership, we can sue the shit outta them. Kinda like them wanting girls in all boys schools and vice versa. That should shut there pie holes for a while.

Why should every group accept everyone, like the boyscouts are being forced to exclude religion.

Where the hell are these peoples moral values going ? Or did they have any to begin with.

I say to all liberal and democats, move to california with the rest of the "bizzar" and leave the rest of america alone.....freaking jerks !

[riddle]

Why should every group accept everyone, like the boyscouts are being forced to exclude religion.

I'm not against what dijhili says, but to play the devils advocate, the boyscouts are/were getting funds from the gov. That was the main issue. How can a gov. funded instituion/group keep homosexuals from joining? What about religion, seperatino of church and state right? Others funds are then being diverted to a private christian promoting group. That is the dilema. There are only two choices:

1) Stop preaching in the BSA and let homosexuals in, or;

2) Stop the funding from the gov. (read the "Democrats And Dodo Birds: A Study In Similarities" thread to get the views on this)

[dijhili]

Riddle - much of our tax dollars go to organizations and funding that most of us would not approve.....but most people will just let it be. I personally think its kinda selfish.

Is it so bad that the gov sponsor a great program like the Boy Scouts ? This is a group that teaches kids good moral values and keeps them outta trouble. Just cause there moral point says "no homosexuals" people come out and yell foul ? That just shows me how stupid, selfish, and flat out dumb some people are.

Imaging if I, if I was popular, came out and said I am not helping, funding, supporting and research for AIDS. ( I know I can get it many ways , but this just an example ) Why should I support something that will not have a direct affect on me or my lifestly ? I am not gay, so why should the gov help fund it ? I know its a bad example, but it is just that. I would still allow it even though I morally dissaprove, why ? Cause it is helpful to society and will help some people. That is why I would not bitch and cry...like the liberals love to do.

The point of all this is that we, the US, was founded with GOD. But now all these liberals and democrats was to remove GOD from ....everywhere. The idiots are trying to rewrite our founding docs and eliminate any hint of GOD. This is just wrong. Do not try and rewite history just cause you have a bug up your ass.

Next thing you know we will have to use Monopoly money, cause at least that does not mention GOD.

I should sue the rainbow coalition for dening me membership, they are being rascist ...right ?

BA

[Wadi66]

1.U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2.Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of moral strength.
3.Permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
4.Provide American aid to all nations regardless of communist domination.
5.Set up East West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.S.
6.Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the United Nations.
7.Promote the United Nations as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.
8.Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
9.Do away with loyalty oaths.
10.Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S.
11.Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
12.Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Get control of the teachers associations.
13.Gain control of all student newspapers.
14.Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
15.Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.
16.Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of free speech and free press.
17.Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures and TV.
18.Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural and healthy.
19.Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with social religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a religious crutch.
20.Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principles of separation of church and state.
21.Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
22.Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the grounds that it was only a minor part in the big picture.
23.Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the communist apparatus.
24.Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
25.Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
26.Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents.
27.Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American traditions; that students and special interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political and social problems.

When you read this list, you come away knowing the source of our problems and the goal of those striving to achieve these. Call a spade a spade. Liberals are driven by a Communist mentality. If you're liberal but don't agree with these ideas, reject liberalism. If you do agree, its time to fess up to who and what you really are, and take to condemnation that goes with it.

[Topiary Lady]

Thankyou IHL for featuring my post here. You are right, this is not just an attack on Christianity. What it is is an attack on our veterans as well. Honestly, I think that liberals want to make it shameful for those who have served instead of a source of pride. In fact, the cross on Mt. Soledad was origionally put there as a symbol of sacrifice.

My family sacrificed plenty because of my fathers military career. The stresses of him being gone and then returning as a virtual stranger trying to integrate back into the family were difficult to say the least. I'm sure that there are many military familiesthese days that go through the same thing. As a child I did not understand this, but as an adult I understand the sacrifice. I did not know my father as a child, but I know him now, and there is not only understanding and forgiveness, but also a great deal of pride for what he did for our country.

IHL, people like you and my father served our country to defend our freedoms. Now I'm going to serve our country and defend that memorial.

I don't know who all reads this site, but if anyone else is in San Diego, I urge you to work as I am on this referendum. Rick Roberts at 760 kfmb. www.760kfmb.com (http://www.760kfmb.com/) is working on the signature gathering for this. The cross controversy can be settled once and for all with the legal transfer of the land and the cross to the federal government as a national war memorial. Enough is enough with all of this and we just need to get this done.

Some battles are worth fighting. This is one of them.

http://www.ihateliberals.com/pages/images/tl.jpg

[God v2.0]

I wonder, if this keeps going on, will we have to remove the crosses from our soldiers graves on Normandy Beach, prohibit the planting of crosses at the Vietnam Memorial?

[God v2.0]

My grandfather was a tank commander in WWII. Never talked about it. Now that he has died we know virtually nothing of his experience. I see documentaries on Medal of Honor winners who cry 50 years later because they couldnt save 1 more man. My dad was a medical officer in the Army, he says he sometimes regrets that he wasnt ordered to go to Iraq in the Gulf War.

This is probably why I want to join the military (West Point if I get in)

[Guns R Cool]

My gandpa was in the Korean War, I wonder what he has to say about this.

[FightinDaMan]

From the Communist manifesto

Seeing as the Communist manifesto was written well before the Cold War, I think that you're a bit off on that.

[Guns R Cool]

I know I was thinking that to. Talking about East and West Germany a was a little :icon_conf. I think He means if you apply the CM to modern day situations...maybe?

[bird]

Seeing as the Communist manifesto was written well before the Cold War, I think that you're a bit off on that.

No, Wadi's post is not "off" at all! In fact, it's right "on"!

Why don't you actually read it, then go down the list and relate it to today and what's happening. Then respond. If you say it's "a bit off" you either
1) can't read, or
2) can't comprehend.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how relevant Wadi's post is!
:icon_eek:

[FightinDaMan]

No, Wadi's post is not "off" at all! In fact, it's right "on"!

Why don't you actually read it, then go down the list and relate it to today and what's happening. Then respond. If you say it's "a bit off" you either
1) can't read, or
2) can't comprehend.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how relevant Wadi's post is!
:icon_eek:

None of his points listed are discussed in the Communist Manifesto. Marx died in 1883, how could he have written about the Cold War in the Manifesto?

[bird]

None of his points listed are discussed in the Communist Manifesto. Marx died in 1883, how could he have written about the Cold War in the Manifesto?

I trust Wadi's posts.

Where does Wadi say that the Communist Manifesto was written by Marx. In fact I've seen the Communist Manifest on other forums and it was written or published (I think) in the early to mid 1900's.

[Guns R Cool]

FightinDaMan is right on this one. I have a copy of the Communist Manifesto. It was written a long time before the Cold War. I believe it was written about the time of the Industrial Revolution.

[bird]

FightinDaMan is right on this one. I have a copy of the Communist Manifesto. It was written a long time before the Cold War. I believe it was written about the time of the Industrial Revolution.

What difference does it make when it was written?

Does it apply today? That's the point!!

[Wadi66]

The Manifesto was written in 1848. Obviously the items I listed won't be found per item within the manifesto itself, BUT, as Bird said, read the manifesto as compared to what is happening today. And for those who aren't aware, this list was read into the Congressional Record for all our wise leaders to ponder. The list is a summary of current (?) happenings and how they were called for or rather promoted as necessary accomplishments.

Guys, you have a copy of the manifesto? You are aware aren't you that 3-4 seriously mutilated copies are in circulation.


Hey is anyone else having major issues with the site today, or is it just me. bummer.

[HealthyCommie]

Where does Wadi say that the Communist Manifesto was written by Marx. In fact I've seen the Communist Manifest on other forums and it was written or published (I think) in the early to mid 1900's.
It was written by Karl Marx.

I have a copy.


Guys, you have a copy of the manifesto? You are aware aren't you that 3-4 seriously mutilated copies are in circulation.

What do you mean?

[IHL]

Ok, everyone back on the thread bus.