A new policy towards liberals.

[IHL]

I believe I have been pretty tolerant of the liberals that join this site. Some would say too tolerant. But time and time again it is just a matter of time before the libs show their true colors and resort to attacks and posts that attempt only to incite trouble or contempt.

So - starting today I will still allow liberals on this site and if they can conduct themselves in a mature manner they can stay. If not - they go. I won't call it a zero tolerance policy but I am now much less tolerant than I was before.

They may have taken control for now but they won't control things here. There are few liberals on this site that have conducted themselves very well even though I disagree with the majority of what they have to say. They are the example others can follow.

By the way - for you liberals out there that think this is sour grapes over the elections, once again you are wrong. This has to do with the actions of previous liberals on this site and nothing more.

[Aurelius]

IHL I won't run off and say names but what is to be said about conservative posters? Some very frequent posters here write very pointed and hateful posts while spewing out curses. As I write many posts on this forum I am often times tempted to return the same words and rhetoric to the ears of those who spoke it. With the recent upsurge in ==== yous, bullshits, and the like it takes some decent reigning in to avoid falling into the same worthless comment conundrum.

If the point here is to discuss an issue instead of hearing the conservative echo then I believe your post should apply to everyone.

[earthtoned]

cuz it's their house, aurie. you don't show up on the oppositions home field and expect equal treatment. there are plenty "level" playing fields on the web for people to vent. if you want to get your point across here, you have to be respectful, even when you don't feel your being respected by them. if you honestly want to avoid insult-a-thons, don't add fuel to the fire. there are plenty ways to get ones point across without getting dirty, in fact i think it makes your argument more effective when it sticks to substance, so why waste your breath at all responding to insults? ive felt that the majority of your posts have been pretty level headed compared to most libs that have posted here, and youve proven you can argue a point effectively when you want to.

[IHL]

Couldn't have said it better myself ET.

[Wadi66]

AU, you come in at a distinct disadvantage. We've been putting up with the same mindset from other liberals for a long time and now we're getting short tempered. There isn't anything you've said that hasn't already been said by dozens more before you. Thank gawd earthtoned is the kind of liberal we can talk with. At least he doesn't spout liberal talking points like its something new.

The way you choose to dicuss things shows you're only interested in projecting a liberal view point. A viewpoint we know is dead wrong because history has proven it to be. And like it or not, we're years ahead of you in experience. You've come across a time or two with a holier than thou attitude so don't posture yourself as an injured party. You see the "capitalism" practiced today and for some ungodly reason think that's what capitalism is all about. Which tells me that you haven't studied a damn think except liberal propaganda. Which means you aren't interested in what works, aren't interested in what's best for the nation. You're only interested in what makes you feel good or what in your infanite wisdom seems right.

You want to discuss issues, fine, we like discussion. But as ET has said, this is our house. We aren't sheeple, we aren't facists, we aren't a whole host of things. We're conservatives because life has taught us that the principles we espouse are the only ones that work to ensure future generations the same freedoms we enjoy today.

That's why some of us get vocal. We're tired of hearing the same bs over and over and over coming from people who are incredibly UNinformed.

Now before you make any accusations towards anyone, I suggest you start reviewing older threads to get a feel for what kind of people we are and what our views are.

[Aurelius]

Sodie was definitely correct in telling me it was a mistake to mention anything that would key you into my age Wadi. My life experience or lack thereof is the main driving point when you rail against my points. I'm not so sure about the liberal propaganda I've studied. Everything I perceive about the past matches with what I was taught from elementary school, at home, and all the way through extra college level reading materials. If you would provide the list that Mr. Lopez asked for I'm more than willing to check it out. My perceptions about economics and social issues are grounded in my studies of what has worked in civilization as well as an application of my own morals - much like I imagine how your conservative views were founded.

This has gone astray already from IHL's point I think so if further discussion is going to occur perhaps a new thread should get started.

[Wadi66]

AU, consider yourself lucky that I attribute your views to your youth. If you were an older liberal (which I have dealt with) my opinion of you would be in the gutter. So ask me what I think of Kennedy or Kerry or Murtha or Dean or Reid or Pelosi or Feinstein or or or. They aren't young, they don't have an excuse.

I was raised in a Democratic household AU, I served on the DNC, I ran the office for a Democratic Congressman, I've helped a dozen or more Democrats get elected to office, I've taught Constitutional History and Law (to adults thankfully) and I've spent 20+ years studying what works, what doesn't and why. I wasn't born a conservative. I came to my understanding and opinions by living life. If you and Sodie can't deal with that, that's YOUR problem. You haven't walked a mile in my shoes, but I've walked ten thousand in yours.

[Mr. Glass]

IHL, it's your forum, and I've always tried to play by your rules. How I found this site shouldn't matter, but I am certainly judged by my words and personality.

I think that there are a few of us here who are not democrats, not republicans, and cannot be easily defined on a one dimentional scale of political leanings.

That said, I also judge you all by your words and personalities. Even if your personality on-line isn't how you really act in real life, it still says volumes about your real personality, in fact ones on-line persona often cuts to the point of who you see yourself as, who you'd LIKE to be if there were no one to judge you. Anonimity can be seductive to your subconscience, and little bits will come out.

Also, as has been brought up here yet again, most of you stereotype Liberals / Democrats as trouble makers, arrogant, stupid, idiotic, immature, etc. You make this sweeping generalization because usually 1) you don't agree with an opposing ideology, that's a powerful conflict be it religion, politics, racial, or whatever and 2) you have had bad experiances with individuals in the past, i.e. guilt by association.

So... what makes you all think that you're somehow immune from the same judgement and critisism by your ideological opposites?

I can accept that you don't want to be picked on, or called out, or corrected, or made fun of for your ideologies on your own forum, and I whole heartidly agree with you. But, I would also suggest that for the sake of being above board you police yourself when one of your members gets too worked up.

There are certainly people on this forum who are corrosive to your cause, and are high on the list of reasons why Republicans are being seen in such a negative light as of late. There are people here who in the name of the conservative movements behave with contempt and hatred in their words, and espouse radical/fundamental ideologies that can only be portrayed as fascist or hateful on a level of sinful Evil.


You can defend them as your conservative brothers, and I as well as many, many others, will continue to judge the republican party and conservative movement in general as being a haven for hate speech, religious fundamentalism, and fascist ideologs. The thing is, you also keep telling us that these are the traits of the Terrorists we're trying to fight.

It keeps people like me STUCK in the middle.

Right now, the hate I've recieved from this forum outweights all the nasty stuff said to me by liberals ten to one.


And even with ALL that, I still find a way to hold my tongue (most of the time), respect the key individuals here who make this community function, and keep my assumptions to a minimum when it comes to the behavious of a few rotten apples.


So IHL, feel free to police your forums with increased dilligence, I wish you luck and I hope it's not too much of a bother for you.

But keep in mind that sometimes it's not just the liberals who make America and our democracy look bad.

-Doug