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IHL
08-31-2006, 01:42 PM
The following article originally showed up in Newsweek Magazine in 1975. It was written by Peter Gwynne. Keep in mind, they are talking about global cooling although the catastrophic effects are the same. So it doesn't matter if we are warming or cooling, the goal is still the same - SEND CASH !!
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My favorite part is how the global warming crowd of today is warning us that if global warming continues, the ice caps will melt and kill us all. In 1975, one of their solutions to the problem was to melt the ice caps! And we want to trust these people as our leaders? Read on. Click HERE (http://www.theamericanright.com/forums/Documents/coolingworld.pdf)for pdf of the original document

"The Cooling World" - by Peter Qwynne, Newsweek 1975<o:p></o:p>
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<img align=left textalign=top hspace=5 vspace=5 src="http://www.theamericanright.com/forums/pages/images/Coolin1.jpg"></img> (http://www.theamericanright.com/forums/Documents/coolingworld.pdf)The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:country-region u1:st="on">Canada</st1:country-region></st1:country-region> and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas – parts of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:country-region u1:st="on">India</st1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:country-region u1:st="on">Pakistan</st1:country-region></st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:country-region u1:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:country-region></st1:country-region>, Indochina and <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:country-region u1:st="on">Indonesia</st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:place></st1:country-region> – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.
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The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:country-region u1:st="on">England</st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:place></st1:country-region>, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree – a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars' worth of damage in 13 <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:country-region u1:st="on">U.S.</st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:place></st1:country-region> states.

To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world's weather. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic. “A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale,” warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, “because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century.”

A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:placename u1:st="on">Columbia</st1:placename></st1:place> <st1:placetype w:st="on"><st1:placetype u1:st="on">University</st1:placetype></st1:placetype></st1:placename></st1:place>, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:place u1:st="on"><st1:country-region u1:st="on">U.S.</st1:country-region></st1:place></st1:place></st1:country-region> diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.
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To the layman, the relatively small changes in temperature and sunshine can be highly misleading. Reid Bryson of the University of Wisconsin points out that the Earth’s average temperature during the great Ice Ages was only about seven degrees lower than during its warmest eras – and that the present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age average. <o:p></o:p>
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Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery. “Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as fragmentary as our data,” concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. “Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions.”

Meteorologists think that they can forecast the short-term results of the return to the norm of the last century. They begin by noting the slight drop in overall temperature that produces large numbers of pressure centers in the upper atmosphere. These break up the smooth flow of westerly winds over temperate areas. The stagnant air produced in this way causes an increase in extremes of local weather such as droughts, floods, extended dry spells, long freezes, delayed monsoons and even local temperature increases – all of which have a direct impact on food supplies. “The world’s food-producing system,” warns Dr. James D. McQuigg of NOAA’s Center for Climatic and Environmental Assessment, “is much more sensitive to the weather variable than it was even five years ago.” Furthermore, the growth of world population and creation of new national boundaries make it impossible for starving peoples to migrate from their devastated fields, as they did during past famines.
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earthtoned
08-31-2006, 03:53 PM
i truly hope that 30 years from now, IHL will make a "holographic-sensory-field" post of an old webclip about those wacky scientists who keep getting their predictions wrong, and we can all have another laugh at their expense

Guns R Cool
08-31-2006, 04:34 PM
Holographs are cool.

But onto the topic. This reminds me of a murderer who changes his story everytime he is confronted with new evidence against him.

earthtoned
08-31-2006, 06:44 PM
reminds me of "the boy who cried wolf"...hmmm that didnt end well did it

BLUETEAMSCHURCH
08-31-2006, 10:08 PM
Where did you find that article?

Dr. Madd
09-01-2006, 03:20 AM
When the libs say that warming and cooling trends reflect global warming, they prove themselves liable for a straitjacket.

earthtoned
09-01-2006, 05:20 AM
and some scientists agree with you, in that it may already be too late, but many are still arguing that there is a 10 year window of opportunity to adress emissions. this is the part of the science that is unclear: how long we have and what the affects will actually be. Where some skeptics make a good point is whether the danger is large enough to justify the diversion of funds that could go towards other important world issues; disease, extreme poverty, etc. but as ive said before, im personally convinced that the same measures that would halt CO2 emmissions are consistant with other worthy goals, mainly energy conservation and independance from foreign oil, which are issues so huge that their solution would reverberate across an enitre spectrum of world problems, and therefore should be pursued regardless. if its too late, oh well, but at least we go down fighting.

WhiteAfricanAmerican
09-01-2006, 07:41 AM
Ever wondered why some people don't get colds. A lot has to do with the resilience of their system vs the virus.


So we have a system that according to some is a few BILLION years old, I some how find it hard to believe that a virus of sorts (mankind) that has been 'spewing' toxins into the environment for a few hundred years could possibly make a dent in the resilience of the system.

But then I'm an evil conservative hell bent on destroying earth, so my opnion isn't much. :icon_twis

rightwingxtremist
09-01-2006, 06:51 PM
.... And people still worship science in spite of such wild contradiction. Sheesh.

- N

earthtoned
09-01-2006, 07:56 PM
ok..heres my 2 cents on whether human beings can effect the atmosphere. im not going to get scientific on you, but just illustrate something.

the earth radius is around 4,000 miles to the core. the atmosphere that surrounds the earth is around 20 miles thick. to put this in perspective, lets say you had a basketball and you covered it with a coat of paint. the thickness of that one coat of paint would be more or less the same ratio to the ball as our atmosphere is to our planet. the point being, our atmosphere is incredibly thin, and therefore surprisingly fragile, and subject to intense changes. we absolutely are capable of altering it. and i dispute the notion that if we could alter it in a negative way, that we couldnt negate that effect with the political will to do so.

OneLove
11-14-2006, 12:42 PM
not only is the atmosphere thin, it is not evenly distributed along that twenty miles. Gravity pulls in most of the precious gases to the surface of the earth. Global warming is real. Just ask the farmers in the UK who can not grow grapes anymore because of climate change. Yes, the earth has undergone cooling and heating events many times in it's past, but very few times has the earth ever gone through such an abrupt change.

As to the article mentioned above, do you want your doctor referring to 30-year-old articles on lymphomas if you have cancer? shit, 30 years ago doctors were creating an explanation for the phenotypic diversity of certain tumors. Unfortunately when considering the environment, a lot has happened and there is extraordinary amount of information now available compared to 30 years ago.

Dr. Madd
11-14-2006, 01:44 PM
As Myra and I say, "OMIGOSH! WHATTER WE GONNA DO! EVERYTHING'S GOING TO SAY THE SAME! EEEK!"

Aurelius
11-14-2006, 01:57 PM
Just ask the farmers in the UK who can not grow grapes anymore because of climate change. Yes, the earth has undergone cooling and heating events many times in it's past, but very few times has the earth ever gone through such an abrupt change.

Yes indeed. The US fishing industry in the Northwest is nearly gone. In Alaska fishermen are having to head further and further north in order to catch anything besides fish from warmer waters. Many towns where fish processing takes place are worried about factories closing down and moving to more northern parts of Alaska. The time from catching to processing is getting to long and fish have a higher chance of spoilage.

IHL
11-14-2006, 02:02 PM
Unfortunately when considering the environment, a lot has happened and there is extraordinary amount of information now available compared to 30 years ago.
Thirty years in the scope of global climate is a millisecond. And thirty years from now what will they be telling us? As far as never having seen changes this dramatic... how do you know?! They have only been able to do testing in the past few hundred years. That is like projecting road conditions across the country based on the last 500 feet. It's absurd.

Global warming might be real. If it is there is nothing we can do about it and nothing we did to cause it. How do I know? Because Al Gore says it it real. Enough said. That man is the single most ignorant man on Earth. When he comes out and says global warming doesn't exist - I'll start to worry.

Aurelius
11-14-2006, 02:04 PM
IHL, you would let your hatred of another blind you to altering your opinion?

Dr. Madd
11-14-2006, 02:11 PM
*Dr. Madd Walks up behind post rattling a giant brass gong.. Makes a Shhhh signal with his finger* Shhhhh... Aurelius doesn't know I am here..



Yes indeed. The US fishing industry in the Northwest is nearly gone. In Alaska fishermen are having to head further and further north in order to catch anything besides fish from warmer waters. Many towns where fish processing takes place are worried about factories closing down and moving to more northern parts of Alaska. The time from catching to processing is getting to long and fish have a higher chance of spoilage.

Sounds to me like Alaska is getting some long needed change. Change is part of the world. To me, keeping the Rhinoceros alive is silly. It has a low birth rate and cannot cope. I'm not for mass killing them, but stop trying to protect them. What happened to Natural Selection? Let the Rhino die peacefully. It makes no sense to keep something alive that Nature is obviously phasing out. The Warming trend-(If it is happening, which considering we are in an ice age- is simply not) Would only return Alaska to what it was during the age of Dinosaurs. And The animals and plants will adapt or perish. That's the true natural of environmentalism. Stop to trying to keep things as they are. You're obstructing Nature. Get out of the way.
Twenty years ago, scientists said we'd be breathing through Gas Masks. Not happening. Twenty Years or so ago, they said the fish would die and we'd be moving inland to avoid the stench. Not happening. Dire Predictions are only a lie told by Liberals to keep you busy while they pick your pocket and shackle you up.

Wadi66
11-14-2006, 02:58 PM
Yes indeed. The US fishing industry in the Northwest is nearly gone. In Alaska fishermen are having to head further and further north in order to catch anything besides fish from warmer waters. Many towns where fish processing takes place are worried about factories closing down and moving to more northern parts of Alaska. The time from catching to processing is getting to long and fish have a higher chance of spoilage.You have a link to this of course, right?

What warmer waters are you talking about?

Aurelius
11-14-2006, 03:39 PM
Of course Wadi m'dear!

Link (http://www.adn.com/front/story/8379472p-8274732c.html)

Link (http://www.pacificenvironment.org/article.php?id=2060)

Analysis of Warming On Fish (http://assets.panda.org/downloads/fisherie_web_final.pdf)

Not Exactly News But Worth Looking At (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/Columnists/brucewrightcolumn1.htm)

I was also zoning out while doing homework one evening and there was a Discovery (I know terrible source, channel is full of docudrama BS) show about Alaskan fishing. In it they discussed relocation of entire towns because of factory migration. I cannot recall the name of the program though.

If you want opinions from your average hard working individual on global warming and how it effects them, Alaska is the place to look at.

GuitarCrazyo
11-03-2009, 10:58 AM
The world will not end. But one day, mankind might die out because we are destroying the earth rapidly. It will have nothing to do with divine intervention or something from outer space. We, ourselves, will be the reasonof our downfall. We should take better care of the earth.

biggie67uga
11-03-2009, 11:35 AM
The world will not end. But one day, mankind might die out because we are destroying the earth rapidly. It will have nothing to do with divine intervention or something from outer space. We, ourselves, will be the reasonof our downfall. We should take better care of the earth.

And let's hug and love one another too, right? Let's all hold hands and dance around a camp fire singing the praises of mother earth. Let's all just quit our jobs and return to the age of free love and experimentation.

The world must look so amazing through rose colored glasses where everyone gets along and everyone is happy. When you return to the real world though, let us know.

Topiary Lady
11-03-2009, 11:41 AM
LOL, Biggie.

I wouldn't pay much attention to our little friend. It's just someone messing with the site.

GuitarCrazyo
11-06-2009, 08:51 PM
IMO, the likeliness of this happening is even less likely than Tiger never winning another professional golf tournament. But it is definitely interesting that more than a couple major civilizations who did not have contact with eachother all share this same date as "the end of the world".

What do you guys think about this? Ill be choked if I never get a shot at playing Augusta with a handmade SC CT putter in my life personally .