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Guns R Cool
07-24-2006, 02:32 AM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- A Kansas church group that protests at military funerals across the nation filed suit in federal court Friday, claiming a Missouri law banning such picketing infringed on religious freedom and free speech.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed the lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Jefferson City on behalf of the fundamentalist Westboro Baptist Church, which has outraged mourning communities by showing up at soldiers' funerals with anti-homosexual signs.

The church and the Rev. Fred Phelps claim God is allowing soldiers, coal miners and others to be killed because the United States tolerates homosexuals.

Missouri lawmakers were spurred to action after the church protested in St. Joseph last August, at the funeral of Army Spc. Edward Myers.

The law bans picketing and protests "in front of or about" any location where a funeral is held, from an hour before it begins until an hour after it ends. It makes it a violation a misdemeanor, with fines and possible jail time that increase for repeat offenders.

A number of other state laws and a federal law, signed in May by President Bush, bar such protests within a certain distance from a cemetery or funeral.

In the lawsuit, the ACLU claims the wording of Missouri's ban seeks to limit the group's free speech based on the content of their message. They are asking the court to declare the ban unconstitutional and to issue an injunction to keep it from being enforced, which would allow the group to resume picketing.

"I told the nation as each state went after these laws that if the day came that they got in our way, that we would sue them," said Phelps' daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper, a spokeswoman for the Topeka, Kan.-based church. "At this hour, the wrath of God is pouring out on this country."

Scott Holste, a spokesman for Missouri Attorney General Jay Nixon, said, "We're not going to acquiesce to anything that they're asking for in this lawsuit."

The suit names Nixon, Gov. Matt Blunt and others as defendants.

Guns R Cool
07-24-2006, 02:33 AM
I hope my great state doesn't back down to these freaks.

dixiegirl
07-24-2006, 03:05 AM
why the hell do people protest at funerals anyways....all it does is piss people off, making everyone hate them frikkin hippies.....i mean thier agianst america's action in iraq because of all the death and whatnot....yet they blatantly disrespect the loss of american life....it makes no sense thier just being hypocritical

FKLBRLS
07-24-2006, 03:40 AM
First of all these people are NOT following God's word in the way He intended. We talked about this in church today: many Christians feel this aversion to homosexuals, when we should be reaching out to them, as Jesus did to sinners. The pastor even said, "Last night I was talking with a homosexual man who thought that he would be unwelcome at church." Groups like Westboro shut people off from God who could really use Him. It is sad really. We should have our arms open to these people, telling them that there is hope and forgiveness. Don't get me wrong, I still feel strongly that homosexuality is very wrong and will fight any attempts to legitimize it, but the people themselves really just need help and a friend.

Interesting. The ACLU is defending this. Most of the time it is suing churches. The very laws that it opposes in this case (no protests at funerals) are supported, in different form, by the ACLU in different cases. (The ACLU supports legislation to ban protestors in front of abortion clinics).

Guns R Cool
07-24-2006, 03:43 AM
Could this just simply be more proof that the ACLU will do whatever it can to hurt the image of the Christian Church by exposing themselves as a bunch of hypocrites?

FKLBRLS
07-24-2006, 04:01 AM
Never thought of it that way GRC, but it all makes sense now. The ACLU sucks. I just pray that their attorneys realize the error of their ways.

Dr. Madd
07-24-2006, 06:54 AM
Has anyone considered that perhaps that's what the ACLU and Fred Phelps are looking for? If the ACLU is defending "radical Christianity" , shouldn't that tell us something about the nature of this "Church"? Personally, I'd like to see Westboro Baptist, ACLU AND Fred Phelps ground into a pate by the treads of a sherman tank.

Dagummit
07-24-2006, 09:16 AM
Funny that the ACLU supports a "christian" church only when they aren't truly Chrisitian, but a screwed up mockery of the true Christian church.

namvet
07-24-2006, 09:58 AM
I hope my great state doesn't back down to these freaks.

same here. its my state to

WhoNeedsPoliticians?
07-24-2006, 11:54 AM
I'm from Kansas, so I've known about Phelps for a long time. There are alot of churched in Kansas that don't agree with Phelps on his actions one bit, and obviously churches across the nation. The problem is that nobody really is able to confront him at all. We can express our disagreement with him, but that's about it. I wonder if there's a way to get him off the pastoral chair, because he is doing damage to Christianity and the goal of saving sinners.

Dagummit
07-24-2006, 12:25 PM
GunsRcool,

The law does infringe on their Constipational rights and they will win in court. Why do you oppose freedom of assmbly and free speech? Is it only speech that you agree with that should be free?
You are supposed to be a priest...a man of God and yet you show support for these lunatic's rights to oppress people burying their family...you pitiful excuse for a "person of the cloth".

Dr. Madd
07-24-2006, 04:20 PM
GunsRcool,

The law does infringe on their Constipational rights and they will win in court. Why do you oppose freedom of assmbly and free speech? Is it only speech that you agree with that should be free?

As a Priest, I'd figure you'd understand that a disrupting a funeral is a disturbing the peace, and that's worth jail time.

Dr. Madd
07-24-2006, 11:51 PM
And as well it should. Mr. Phelps and his goon platoon have no place at the funerals of our honored dead.

Peace_by_superior _power
07-25-2006, 01:42 AM
wow i retract anything i have previously said about Illinois i am deeply impressed. as for those people they do not represent what christians think God damns sinners, but we are all sinners. God has commanded us to hate the sin, but love the sinner because we all are. We have Jesus as an example but thats an impossible goal and these people do not represent Jesus or His message.

WhoNeedsPoliticians?
07-25-2006, 01:51 AM
I would really love that Illinois law here in Kansas. Phelps is giving us Kansans a bad name.

Guns R Cool
07-25-2006, 08:15 AM
No, Chicago you can't. You also can't in Washington D.C.