Global Warming

[Guns R Cool]

Here's a good article explaining why human-caused global warming is absolute crap.

Click here (http://www.quebecoislibre.org/001014-11.htm).

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while this may have flown in 2000 when the article was written, considerable research since then suggests otherwise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/sci_nat_enl_1151072435/img/1.jpg

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UGH!

I'm done with the global warming issue. I've had it. Both sides have sience, neither will budge,a dn no one can see the foolishness behind human casue global warming.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

breathe....

the only thing foolish on either side is that an otherwise important topic has become an agenda driven wedge issue. I dont want either side to drive the agenda, what i want is clear headed science driven policy. And no, i don't think that science funded by the oil industry is my science of choice.

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easier said then done. theres always a winner whether politics, money or power. i still say theres a happy middleground: whether or not you believe in global warming, the reasons behind it or its solutions, the remedy is consistent with the national security issue of the day; energy independence. If we don't do it for our planet, we should still do it so we arent held by the nads by the opec cartel. Thie is our nations first war where we have funded both sides of the conflict.

[FKLBRLS]

I personally know that human-caused global warming is BS. The earth warms, the earth cools. Humans are but little influence. However, many, if not all, of the proposed "solutions" to global warming would benefit us anyway. We need to stop using oil, and start using other fuel, like biofuels. We need to have cleaner industry not because it will save us from "certain death" but because it is better for our health. Pollution hurts the lungs as well as the rest of the body, and it would be best to get rid of it.

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I personally know that human-caused global warming is BS. The earth warms, the earth cools. Humans are but little influence. However, many, if not all, of the proposed "solutions" to global warming would benefit us anyway. We need to stop using oil, and start using other fuel, like biofuels. We need to have cleaner industry not because it will save us from "certain death" but because it is better for our health. Pollution hurts the lungs as well as the rest of the body, and it would be best to get rid of it.

I tend to agree, in that while i do suspect the basic premise of global warming science suggests we are affecting our climate, i'm not ready to say the end of the world is coming because of it. Increasing our efficiency gives us global competetive advantages. one only has to look at the mess GM is in becasue they wasted a decade selling old technology cars while honda and toyota were investing in the future. Watch toyota become one of the largest corporations in the world. That could be the US reaping in the economic benefits, instead americans looking for efficent cars are forced to buy imports. There are countless other examples of green technologies giving countries competetive advantages. Take a look at what Brazil accomplished by becoming the world leader in ethanol production. they are now energy independant. granted they have a fraction of the demans in the US but we have the resources here to do he same.

[rightwingxtremist]

The mindset of American auto makers seems to be stuck in a 50-year time warp. My opinion is that the "big 3" still seem to focus most of their efforts on creating status symbols, rather than truly practical vehicles. Don't get me wrong, I think Chrysler makes some of the nicest looking cars on the road, but my impression is that Americans are more utilitarian-first in their buying habits - therefore the Toyotas and Hondas fly off of the lots. Nevertheless, bottom-end American cars still suck to this very day as always - one needs to shell out 25k+ to get something decent IMHO.

- N

[FKLBRLS]

My aunt is high up at Toyota. They are making headway because their product is better. I just wish that GM would do the same. Screw Ford, they donated to the ACLU, and their cars break down a lot. Screw Chrysler, they break down a lot and they are foreign anyway.

The US doesn't have enough land to support enough ethanol. Ethanol is inefficient in almost every way. I am more for biodiesel.

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My aunt is high up at Toyota. They are making headway because their product is better. I just wish that GM would do the same. Screw Ford, they donated to the ACLU, and their cars break down a lot. Screw Chrysler, they break down a lot and they are foreign anyway.

The US doesn't have enough land to support enough ethanol. Ethanol is inefficient in almost every way. I am more for biodiesel.

you are absolutely right about ethanol not being the best choice, not the least of which is that it requires so much land and energy to produce. Ethanol is mostly produced from corn. The corn industry is highly subsidized in america, and is used in an incredible array of products, and thus their lobby is powerful. A much more reasonable alternative is methanol, which you can learn about here if you dont already know about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_economy

biodiesel is also promising, but it highly depends on the crop used, and still requires a vast amount of land. i believe ongoing studies are looking into it further.

both of these are far better then the hydrogen economy that is touted by the bush administration in my opinion. hydrogen requires a vast new network of delivery, likely decades from being built, and even then its not necessarily a more efficient way to create energy. I think we need something sooner than that, or at least progress.

I do praise ford for finally offering the Smart Car in the US, altho im skeptical that americans will embrace it for anything but city driving.

[FKLBRLS]

Biodiesel, if I am correct, can come from anything "bio". So if you have a greenwaste trash can (containing yard waste, grass clippings, etc.), everything in it could be used to make biodiesel. Not to mention any uneaten food could be used as well. So our American habit of wasting food could serve to really save our ass.