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[CognitiveTruth]

Well it seems we have attracted attention from somebody. Maybe some of the old patrons of this site will have noticed. Within a few days we have been flooded with socialists, anarchists, communists, and conservative-imitating-liberals. I am not against anybody voicing there opinion, but I do not want to see the site flooded with this crap. Keep in mind that they are not trying to debate us, they are trying to destroy us. Since they can't physically dismantle the site, they try to break our spirits. If I make a point, I do not want 15 liberals blathering immediatly afterward. I want it to be read and considered. The small scope of this site is one of the things that made it so appealing in the first place.

I suggest that we start forming ideas on how to improve the situation.

I'm going to miss the days when it was just a few of us intelligently (more or less) argueing with Neo and Chi.

[CognitiveTruth]

It would be exhaustive and unpractical for IHL to stop all of these people, so I suggest that he appoint a few moderators. These would be people everyone is familiar with and have been on the site for a while. The moderators would be able to filter meaningless and insulting posts and transfer inappropriate threads to the proper location (the liberal section).

[HealthyCommie]

Why shouldn't socialists be allowed on your site?

[14edsullivan]

Socialists, commies,, libreals, anyone is allowed on the site, but when you mindlessly ramble, and post links to disgusting sites, and generaly spam the site, then your not welcome.




Mods would be a good idea, even if its just one or two, it always helps.



Ed

[HealthyCommie]

Why? So you can preview the messages and edit them? Like the nazis did? Or the USSR, for that matter.

[thatonedude61]

i agree...the mods idea is pretty good...censureship is wrong, but i don't think, in this case, it really counts as deleting anything...

[All Dead]

Don't sit back and take it, they built we can break it!

[14edsullivan]

i agree...the mods idea is pretty good...censureship is wrong, but i don't think, in this case, it really counts as deleting anything...


this is quite a different story, to preserve the sanity of the forum, and to show the forum as a respectable place, censorship is required. Plenty of forums have somplete moderation, all posts must go through mods, its a very respectable and logical forum.

Ed

[HealthyCommie]

There is no form of censorship that is respectable.

[14edsullivan]

There are plenty of placs censorship is perfectly ok.

Ed

[DoubleU]

Don't sit back and take it, they built we can break it!


Why is it all liberals are under 18 and can not build but must tear apart?

[DoubleU]

Thats bull shit, you say the people on here have a right to post what the want and then premote censhorship? Sometimes it's nice to have a second opinion


It is up to the person who pays for the bandwidth what gets posted and who gets to post. This is his property, and he has the right to do what he wants to. Freedom of speech means the others have a right to start their own website, newspaper or whatever. My guess is mommy wont let them.

There is the ignore option, freedom of speech doesn't mean you have to listen.

[thatonedude61]

There is no form of censorship that is respectable.

i agree...but does it count as 'censorship' if eliminated or edited posts are vain, thoughtless and otherwise idiotic?

[IHL]

HealthyCommie and DeathofaNation,

Your opinions are welcome here. What is not welcome and what will be censored if you want to call it that is links to malicious site, porn site, vulgarity and the like.

I am very tolerant of the occasional slip of the keyboard in the form of swearing and even insults to other members but when a person consistently exhibits this behavior they will be banned. Obviously you people all joined on the same day and attempted to flood the forum with gibberish. Those users are gone. I don't know who sent you and I don't care. As long as you can add to the debate, even if I disagree with your positions you will be welcome here. Many with opposing viewpoints have come before you. Chi1088 is one that comes to mind. He has posted several threads I disagree with. I have never considered banning or deleting his posts. So don't go crying censorship. Censorship is one thing, control is another. I will not allow this site to be controlled by people who only seek to destroy it.

No, you don't have freedom of speech here. As DoubleU pointed out, this is my site. I've worked too hard on it to let a handful of people attempt to destroy it. If you can't understand that and want to call it censorship then censorship it is - with a capital C.

[NewKindOfSoldier]

"links to malicious site"

who decides what is and is not a malicious site?

"attempted to flood the forum with gibberish"

not true

"No, you don't have freedom of speech here. As DoubleU pointed out, this is my site. I've worked too hard on it to let a handful of people attempt to destroy it. If you can't understand that and want to call it censorship then censorship it is - with a capital C"

sieg heil you ====ing nazi

[CognitiveTruth]

Any civil human would be able to tell what a malicious site is. Porn or anything that does damage. We don't want to see that shit on a political debate. Don't impose your diseased lifestyle on us.

And if you think that nobody posted gibberish, then you obviously weren't on last night.

Please explain how deciding what you are going to do with your own property is naziism. We are constantly called nazis and fascists but nobody can explain why. We fought against the damn nazis, the very country and system that you hate. Nazis would never let anyone of the opposing view speak at all. If it was decided that you wouldn't be allowed to speak you would be gone already.

[NewKindOfSoldier]

"And if you think that nobody posted gibberish, then you obviously weren't on last night."

you make it seem like an organised attempt to utterly destroy the site
it was not

"Please explain how deciding what you are going to do with your own property is naziismWe are constantly called nazis and fascists but nobody can explain why. We fought against the damn nazis, the very country and system that you hate. Nazis would never let anyone of the opposing view speak at all. If it was decided that you wouldn't be allowed to speak you would be gone already.
"

censorship is fascism. Believing you are better than others (which impression republicans/conservatives etc sometimes tend to give).

The very country and system only went to war with germany after pearl harbor and after hitler declared war on the US, and after the that same country used nazi scientists for their own benefit.

In the US, one can say what one wants, except when that person is actually a threat, in which case he/she gets eliminated (malcolm X, MLK, countless balck panthers, members of the Communist Party). This is no different under the democratic party I admit, but i do not support that party either. Kerry is just as much a fascist as bush

[IHL]

Ok Soldier so what would you do? Several people joined yesterday and posted over 50 messages each, in one day that consisted literally of gibberish. Not a single word in them other than a bunch of letters. Or one guy who posted 25 messages stating nothing other than he was gay.

This is your idea of fun? Is this something I should just allow people to do or be called a ====ing nazi? So in your opinion I should let these moron just flood the site with posts like that an let it go? Is that how you would handle it?

The truth is that while I welcome opposing views I don't really have any need for people who are trying to destroy the site. And that is exactly what they are trying to do.

[boris]

there are alot of people on our site that complain of lack of debate.people will stop flooding your site and use it only for debate.

[NewKindOfSoldier]

"Is that how you would handle it?"

basicly, yes

but this shit has already stopped you know, it was just one night of nonsense, and now they are actually trying to debate (boris for example).
and you have your ignore button or something, if you're annoyed, use it.

[Patriot2005]

sieg heil you ====ing nazi

Try rising above the name calling and you might get your point across..
Can you?

[beezlebug]

Being relatively new to this site it's obvious to me that liberals are a hate filled bunch. I'm also sure that there are sites that welcome their "character" and obviiously they have grown tried of them and each other and thought it would be cute to bash this one, also proves a point that libs are never statisfied.

I agree with IHL and I think moderators would be to our advantage for those who wish to debate in a civil manner.
Using the ignore feature would also help.

Cheers

[NewKindOfSoldier]

"

Try rising above the name calling and you might get your point across..
Can you?"

i call things as they are, it has nothing to do with name calling

[deek]

newkindofsoldier "i call things as they are"

you call everyone a nazi...you are the one always typing german stuff.

i want you to make a list of 10 people that arent nazis.
try and list people we might have heard of please.
i want this for 2 reasons.

1. to see if there are 10 people in the world that you dont consider to be nazis.

2. if there are 10 people, im very interested in seeing who some of them might be in your opinion.

i think this will be interesting.

[CognitiveTruth]

"Is that how you would handle it?"

basicly, yes

but this shit has already stopped you know, it was just one night of nonsense, and now they are actually trying to debate (boris for example).
and you have your ignore button or something, if you're annoyed, use it.If you let a child cross you and you do nothing about it the child will learn that he can get away with it. Even if this particular group of people "meant no harm" another one will come that does. If we let everybody attack us soon we will have an infestation so big that it would prove impossible to debate anymore. If they just wanted a night of fun, why didn't they post one or two bits of sarcasm? Why dozens? Why the links and gibberish? It was a malevolant attempt to destroy us.

I ignore no one. I trust that anyone who does not contribute will be banned from the site. I have not seen anyone besides the radicals(an abbrieviation for all the socialists, anarchists and communsts that have come, since it would be labour intensive to say all your names) post anything pertinent at all. I have debated the radicals to an extent, and if I see them say something new I will argue again. If anyone wants to argue, do it; no one's stopping you.