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Goose
03-08-2006, 01:10 PM
Illegal immigrants could stay indefinitely under Senate plan (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/14033622.htm?source=rss&channel=dfw_news)


Sponsored by Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the committee chairman, the legislation is designed to strike a middle course between a bill passed by the House of Representatives calling for tougher immigration enforcement and pro-immigration advocates who call for permanent legal status - and eventual citizenship - for the estimated 11 million aliens now in the country illegally.

President Bush, defying objections from conservatives, has called for an overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws and the creation of a temporary guest-worker program to ensure a steady source of labor for U.S. business. Under Bush’s plan, qualified workers, including residents now here illegally, could stay in jobs for up to six years, then would be required to return home.
Senate Judiciary Committee staff members who explained key provisions of Specter’s bill on Monday said that the measure would create a "gold card" program for illegal immigrants who entered the United States before Jan. 4, 2004. It also would create a guest-worker program to bring in more foreign laborers.

Applicants for the gold card would undergo a background check by the Homeland Security Department, then be eligible for two-year work visas that could be renewed indefinitely, committee aides said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to avoid upstaging their boss. The workers wouldn’t participate in the Social Security system but would contribute to future savings through worker investment accounts.

Unlike other proposals, Specter’s bill wouldn’t require the immigrants to pay a fine to step forward, aides said. They also said that the proposal isn’t a form of amnesty since it wouldn’t offer an automatic track toward citizenship. However, they noted that the measure wouldn’t preclude applicants from eventual citizenship.

Under the separate guest-worker program, which would be based on U.S. labor needs, foreign applicants could work for three years, then could apply to work for another three years before returning home. They’d be required to remain in their home country for a year before reapplying.

erichthewebguy
03-08-2006, 03:28 PM
That's BULLSHIT! How many more people have to lose their jobs, how many more people have to die?! Un-freakin-believeable! When are the republicans gonna a spine and stop pulling this crap?

Dagummit
03-08-2006, 06:37 PM
The question is why is the US condoning an illegal action? To come into this country illegally is against the damn law. Why can't we just enforce that law instead of making up new shit?

How about shooting these bastards as they try to cross...I bet MANY of them will think twice before trying....but wait...Mexico would be mad at us and we can't look like the bad guy (sarcasm)

alwaysRight
03-08-2006, 08:00 PM
Thank your President.

DoleIn08
03-08-2006, 08:27 PM
Thank your President.

oh i bet a bunch of people are freakin out they voted for bush.

isnt our economy based on the labor of illegals?

why dont we build a wall? im with you dag either enforce the law or revoke it. is it even illegal if it isnt enforced?

they just passed a law in my state to punish companies hiring illegals.......starting in 08

alwaysRight
03-08-2006, 08:38 PM
I just think that there is more that the government can do about the borders. They act like nothing can be done.

Wicked Jester
03-08-2006, 08:48 PM
How do you really think they should go about this.

With 11 million illegals around should we sending out heavily armed spic squads to round them up and shoot them back over the border in a catapult.

There are going to be many steps in order to get this resolved.

I am for anything that will not have 11 million people fearing for thier lives because when people are cornered very bad things can happen.

The border either needs a wall or the National guard.

If either of these options appeared tomorrow we would still not want to hunt for 11 million people that could become violent because they do not want to go back.

Everyone is so melodramatic over everything.

The truth is the 11 million that are here are more then likely here for good. Its better to be able to check some of them out and let the good ones stay rather then cause hysteria by hunting them down one by one.

alwaysRight
03-08-2006, 09:09 PM
Arizona Congressman J.D. Hayworth (R) is on Hannity & Colmes tonight and he's talking about border control. He has a book called Whatever It Takes.

He doesn't feel like Bush is doing a great job on this. His actual words, "Mr. President, you're wrong."

I think I'm going to read his book, see what it's all about. I agree with one thing so far, and that is we should protect our borders with WHATEVER IT TAKES to do so.

Goose
03-08-2006, 10:42 PM
I would be curious to hear from some immigrants that came to this country legally, and find out what they think of this plan.

Devil_rules_in_extremes
03-08-2006, 11:56 PM
I say deploy the National Guard of these southern border states, let the Governors run The Guard operations in their respective states along with Federal INS and Border Police. Really start enforcing this border issue...

Arizona has already started such an operation:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/08/D8G7NJE80.html

alwaysRight
03-09-2006, 09:17 AM
I agree with that idea. I say go one step forward... let them have guns and when you see a Mexican climbing the fence, shoot him off of it... lol I'm sure if they knew we had a shoot to kill they wouldn't be so keen on coming over.

Dagummit
03-09-2006, 11:27 AM
How about building a three fence system...I doodled up a side view of it below. This way no one can accidently trip over a 12 foot high, razor-wired fence (outer fences). So if someone got zapped...they would have no excuse. Also put warning signs every 100 ft in about 10 different languages, with pictures.

Hell, the gov't could even get the illegals to help build it (as punishment for breaking the law) before sending them back! :icon_mrgr

And it would be animal friendly so PETA wouldn't ahve anything to bitch about.

EDIT: Oh yeah...there would be a 10 foot span between each outer fence and the inner elec. fence, to make the total span, 20 feet.

Dagummit
03-09-2006, 11:32 AM
You need to include something underground, too!
Damn good point...didn't think of that...how about steel reinforced concrete going at least 15 feet down?

This wouldn't be the cheapest thing to do...but it would definately curve most of them.