Draft Help...

[undertheradar4832]

Ok well i have to give a speech in my english class and im doing it on the plan that at age 18 we should draft people or make them serve in some sort of civil service program. Could you guys help me out with arguments and evidence for this? IHL? Wadi? Anyone please?

[Schmitty27]

Use Germany for an example of it, they have a system like that, it might not be universal, but it'd be a good place to start. Also find research that shows this may increase political awareness, a greater sense of being an American, and the long and short term benefits to America by implementing this program.

[Wadi66]

Could you guys help me out with arguments and evidence for this? IHL? Wadi? Anyone please?You want me to give you arguments and evidence for something I'm opposed to? Never gonna happen.

[BushRocks]

Thanks Wadi. I would help you out bud, but I'm opposed too. Although, if I was drafted, I wouldn't hesitate. I am prepared to die for this nation and for my family.

[Oi_Ve]

Government FORCING people...:icon_conf

Last time I checked, wasn't it THE PEOPLE who told THE GOVERNMENT what to do?

[DoleIn08]

germany requires military service, or civil service. isreal has compulsory armed force service.

i met a foreign exhanche student who was 18 from germany and he said he was going to be an ambulance driver for his required service. maybe this wouldnt be a bad idea, more roles to help sometihng like katrina evacuees cleanup

[Madcowhunter]

Ok well i have to give a speech in my english class and im doing it on the plan that at age 18 we should draft people or make them serve in some sort of civil service program. Could you guys help me out with arguments and evidence for this? IHL? Wadi? Anyone please?
Sorry. Not going to help you on this one. No where in the Constitution does it allow the government to legally force people in the military during a time of peace, or when we already have adequate numbers. I would motivate and support anyone to go in the militry, but I completely against allowing the government to force someone in. Especially right now when we have a very large and effective military.

Israel does it, in fact you're not even allowed to leave the country until you've served your time in the armed forces. But of course, Israel's survival depends on a large and effective military.

[undertheradar4832]

hey people, i had this topic chosen for me by my teacher, dont bash me.
i was just checking for some help... :(

[BushRocks]

undertheradar, why don't you just turn it around and say why you dont support this, give reasons that we have listed above, etc.

[Madcowhunter]

hey people, i had this topic chosen for me by my teacher, dont bash me.
i was just checking for some help... :(
No one is bashing you.

[Oi_Ve]

undertheradar, why don't you just turn it around and say why you dont support this, give reasons that we have listed above, etc.

"Choose wisely, the hill you wish to die on"

[BushRocks]

Yeah, no kidding Oi Ve

[alwaysRight]

Yeah I have to .. uh... agree (oooh it hurts) with BushRocks. You should get up in front of the class and say something like, "my topic was for a draft, but I am opposed to it and so I am going to talk about why there shouldn't be a draft" or whatever... Just surprise the hell out of your teacher...

[BushRocks]

alwaysright, you never cease to amaze me with your indirect slams. wait i think if you say "oooh it hurts" it's direct.

[alwaysRight]

bushrocks, you never cease to amaze me with your indirect slams...

look, i've already told you that i find it too easy to pick on you... i don't mean anything by it, honestly...

[BushRocks]

hey do you have a blog or something?
did you say you were married?

if not I was hoping that you know, we could ahh, do something like James Carville and Mary Matalin do. He is a liberal and she's a conservative, we're both conservatives, but it'd be nice. ; )

[Oi_Ve]

BEHOLD THE OTHER GREATEST POWER ON EARTH: TESTOSTERONE!

:icon_lol:

And guys, you can pull stunts like that all you want, but I wouldn't advise it. If you've got a problem with the teacher, talk to them about it: 8/10 they listen. They really do.

But sometimes you gotta play ball...take it from an old guy. You'll be playing ball all you life: the times you go down fighting need to be the times that REALLY matter.

[alwaysRight]

Are you talking to me BR? or are you talking to Oi-Ve? lol

[BushRocks]

I'm lookin at you kid. (smooches)

[All American Kid]

I like others are opposed to this. The abuses of the government of mandatory work makes me shutter.

However if I where to have to argue a mandatory period of civil service at the age of 18 I would attempt to compare as being no worse than making school mandatory for school aged children. Then I would compare crime rates of 18 year old that participate in curriculum such as college, military, civil service, job corp etc with those that go straight into the work force. I seen someone mention Israel and Germany maybe you could get some stats to support this position.

As for the assignment itself if you have that much of a problem with it take the old man's advice, but I had a teacher that made us write a augmentative essay on something we strongly believed in then the next essay we had to write was an opposing view to the first. I have to say it was a great learning experience.

[Dagummit]

Am I the only one who feels that all American's owe their country service?

I happen to think that every able American should be required to give at a minimum of two years of their life to the US military. I also think that their should be two military's...one for males and one for females...enough mixing them. Shit went pretty good when there was a Women's Army Corps...women shouldn't be in combat situtations.

But anyways..."Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

My views on mandatory service may be unpopular on here, but it gets America off it's ass and has them do something for the country other than benefit from it's fruits.

[Madcowhunter]

Dag, currently the United States of America has the second largest military in the world with 1.4 million strong (2.2 million if you count reserves). Americans are not sitting on their ass if there are this many in the armed forces.

I will admit however that serving in the military would greatly benefit individual Americans. It would give them a sense of responsibility, physical fitness, and discipline. But since when was it the duty of the US government to make everyone responsible, physically fit or disciplined against the will of the people? The government does not need that power.

Is anyone curious on how taxes would be affected by this? If we had a mandatory service law then I would assume that we'd have a much larger military (having a population of 300 million and all). Wouldn't that cause government spending to increase? What are your thoughts?

[Dagummit]

Good points madcow...I understand what everyone is saying here, about gov't overlording, etc, but ever since I joined, I felt that everyone should have to pay their service. I see way to much using of the system and not giving back to it, except for taxes.

That brings up another valid point...taxes. I dunno what would surface with that...I would hope that serving in the military would increase people's skills and therefor get them off welfare once they got out...that would save some...but again, I don't know how to answer that.

[Wadi66]

While its always better to have an all voluntary military, we could always give young law breakers a choice. Jail time or military time. Of course that wouldn't work for really hard core crooks, but with some it just might be a matter of catching them early enough.

[Madcowhunter]

I think I can understand why someone who has served in the military would feel it is everyone's responsibility to do the same. My brother served four or five years in the Army and would support mandatory service. My mother who also served five years would support it as well. My father however served over half of his life in the Army, but is against mandatory service.

If the United States were desperately in need of extra military service; then I would support such a draft. I just don't think it is needed in a time of peace or when our numbers are so high. But who knows, maybe some day I will feel the same as you after I myself have served; but I doubt it.