Draft Help...

[Madcowhunter]

While its always better to have an all voluntary military, we could always give young law breakers a choice. Jail time or military time. That is a very good idea Wadi. I know a man who was terribly involved with drugs and crime when he was young. But his life changed forever after his military service. He is now a responsible adult with a wife and kids.

[BushRocks]

You better increase the Military Police population too then...

[Dagummit]

Trust me when I say that the MP Corps has enough "fat" to trim as it is. At least when I was a MP (1994-99), we had some of the most "thuggish" hooligans this society has ever seen...totally ridiculous. Luckily, most all of them were weeded out within a couple of years because they brought the ghetto with them.

[Wadi66]

Dag, would you say that if the military didn't whip them into shape, build some character, nothing will?

[Dagummit]

MP's or the military in general?

I firmly believe that the military is the best place for many of the "thuggish" people in this country, just not in the MP Corps....

But the forced discipline approach works wonders...

[shotdrops286]

the draft is the best place for people to learn a trade....We could all serve a 2 year enlistmnet...learn physical fitness...learn to defend ourselves...be trained in a trade...learn discipline, hard work, its an endless an=mount of awesomeness i dunno how anyone can be against it

[Madcowhunter]

the draft is the best place for people to learn a trade....We could all serve a 2 year enlistmnet...learn physical fitness...learn to defend ourselves...be trained in a trade...learn discipline, hard work, its an endless an=mount of awesomeness i dunno how anyone can be against it
Yes, the military has great benefits for everyone. But how does the government have the right to force knowledge, discipline, responsibility, and excitement into unwilling people?
Besides, we already have a very large military. Can you imagine the affect a draft would have on government spending?

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

Besides, we already have a very large military. Can you imagine the affect a draft would have on government spending?

Not only that... But our military is so technology/computer based that regular shmoes off the street don't need to be handeling that equipment anyway. Military now in days isn't just about bodies filling fighting positions. Its all about technology and computers.

[Dagummit]

excuses...excuses...

It's okay to say that you don't want to get dirty...I'll understand...

[Wadi66]

Dag, now you aren't trying to start a fight with DRIE are you??

[BushRocks]

Dag, what DRIE is saying is that warfare has changed so much since WWI and WWII. It is so technologically based, people wouldn't have the first clue. Sure for infantry it would still be okay, but still...That is why we will never need a draft again unless we went to war with China, with all the people they have...But even then, alot of our work would be done with ballistic missiles and aerial raids and attacks.
Laser guided shit and so forth.

[Madcowhunter]

Laser guided shit and so forth.
:icon_lol: I like that.

[Dagummit]

Dag, now you aren't trying to start a fight with DRIE are you??

No, it was directed at everyone... :icon_mrgr

[Jimbo]

I would not welcome the draft, however if they asked me I'd be gone in a minute. In fact I'm probably already signing up anyway..

[AssaultRifles4All]

Ok well i have to give a speech in my english class and im doing it on the plan that at age 18 we should draft people or make them serve in some sort of civil service program. Could you guys help me out with arguments and evidence for this? IHL? Wadi? Anyone please?Well, first off, don't call it a draft cause it isn't the same. It is civil service and just about every country in the world has mandatory military service at age 18; its more of a right of passage to becoming a responsible, adult citizen in the country. I think it'd be good here, but liberals would rather spend tax dollars supporting lazy trash who refuse to work or do anything productive and beneficial to society. But in that same note, do we really want these people knowing how to use weapons and so forth.

[Madcowhunter]

Actually it is the exact same thing. The United States definition of military conscription (AKA the draft) is mandatory military service and nothing else. That is all there is too it. If service is mandatory, then it is by definition a draft.

[BushRocks]

I think they are giving the person the choice of military service or other civil services. Like they do in Germany(ambulance drivers, etc.). So it is different than a draft. The civil service option is different than a draft.

[Madcowhunter]

I thought we were talking about mandatory military service. If not then it is not the same thing as a draft.

But still I would leave the mandatory civil service only for juvenile delinquents. Optional military service for small time criminals rather than jail.

[undertheradar4832]

no its mandatory civil service OR mandatory military service
and i have to go pro on this one guys sorry, i dont like this topic any more than most of you. I hate socialism.

[IHL]

Two points - the first one is my pet peeve about overusing the quote button. STOP quoting the entire text of the previous post. I guess I'll just have to start deleting entire posts that continue to do that. So if you posts start to disappear, you know the reason why.

Now, back to the topic. Mandatory service might seem like a good idea. I'm not against the concept of people serving their country. I think most of us that have served feel the same way. However, our military is the best in the world for a reason. That reason is in large part due to the fact that the people there want to be there. If you start with mandatory service, you will see the quality of the military drop.

I think if we ever get in a position where this country desperately needs people to server, that is one thing. But we are not there now.