Prayer in School

[DoleIn08]

what does everyone here think about prayer in public schools? should it be allowed, should it be banned? what about seperationg of church and state? also would you have to respect all religions for praying?

i dont know what too think. seems like at first seperation of church state was very nice. but then more people were being religous and seems like nowadays everyone has forgot about it! even the money says "in god we trust". just i dunno, wasnt the founding fathers very big on seperating of church state and freedom of choice to w/e religion you want? i know that they were religous themselves im not saying they were athiest or anything.

also, i never even brought up teaching of the bible or anything, that seems too radical, then ppl would probably want to be taught from the torah or koran, and dividing up a class of kids doesnt seem like a correct teaching method. but then again, my school system just didnt have a religion class, and like a religious overview/intro might be a popular idea/compromise. seems like school should just stay out of it.

[undertheradar4832]

yea im not saying that we should teach religion in schools, but just because you're an atheist doesnt mean that i cant pray in school, or bring my bible for reading material.

[Oi_Ve]

The idea of prayer in school is not that kids are FORCED to pray, but are ALLOWED to pray at appropriate moments: lunch, moment of silence, etc.

If a kid wants to pray at an appropriate time and in a non-disruptive manner (sorry, no voodoo chicken sacrifices in school guys), then let them.

Why anybody would have a problem with it is beyond me.

[Goose]

I agree with Oi; they should be allowed to pray at an appropriate time. If they don't want to pray, they shouldn't be forced to do so.

[Argonath]

I agree with Oi as well. Almost.

No chicken sacrafices!?!? You're mad, for sure!!

[Dagummit]

Prayer in a non-disruptive manner is allowed in schools.
No one better ever tell my child that they can't bow their head and silently thank God for the food that He has provided for them...I'll have a case of the ass for sure.

It is when you have, as Oi_Ve described jokingly about voo-doo, the more outward "praying" like chants, and how those muslims do when they stop what they are doing and bow on the floor (towards Mecca) and start wailing. That is over the line.

I personally find it revolting how someone (anyone...child or adult) can just get their meal, sit down, and start eating...without giving thanks first....that, to me, is like eating with your hat on.

[shotdrops286]

I personally find it revolting how someone

I thought christians were supposed to be understanding of everyone.


the more outward "praying" like chants

So i guess their religion is not good enough for them to be allowed to pray before lunch

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As for prayer in school- i do not see a problem as long as its done on the childs time not everyone's.

[Oi_Ve]

Shotdrops, banning outward prayers like chants, sacrifices, and organized rituals has nothing to do with importance of religion but everything to do with maintaining an effective learning enviroment.

A teacher cannot conduct class in a proper manner if every other child in the class is performing some sort of loud or otherwise disruptive prayer.

That includes chants, psalm singing etc. etc. etc.

Nothing to do with religion, everything to do with HOW you express religion

[shotdrops286]

Shotdrops, banning outward prayers like chants, sacrifices, and organized rituals has nothing to do with importance of religion but everything to do with maintaining an effective learning enviroment.

i agree with you which is why it should be done on their own time, in between classes etc... To be honest i could care less if the banned praying from schools all together but if you going to let a certain group pray you should let all groups..I only say that becasue id rather not see all the lawsuits and protesting when catholics are allowed to pray but muslims are not.

[DoleIn08]

what about strict muslims or jews that have high numbers of recommended prayers a day? 5,7?

what about scientologist kids? bring there lil eletro machines?

[shotdrops286]

what about strict muslims or jews that have high numbers of recommended prayers a day? 5,7?

what about scientologist kids? bring there lil eletro machines?


then they should choose between education or praying...it's of their own choice they follow religion let them suffer the consequences of missing out on classroom time

[DoleIn08]

I personally find it revolting how someone (anyone...child or adult) can just get their meal, sit down, and start eating...without giving thanks first....that, to me, is like eating with your hat on.

what do you live in the 12th century? i remember a incident when i was in high school when an elderly gentlemen had a problem with my friends ball cap in a fast food restaurant, he told my friend to remove, and he didnt, and then he actually took the cap from my buddys head and put it on the table!!!! had he known my friend was from scotland and a fit footballer he might've not done that :wink:

i havent heard a string of british cusses that long since!! i believe he wouldnt have had one problem throwing down on a old man either, he offered to take it outside. the guy's wife's face was beet red!!!

i personally think little things like are old and on the way out, it's like a religion limiting what foods you can and cannot eat. i just dont understand it one bit!


ok if you're at a nice restaurant i understand it, but its mcdonalds even the employees cuss and are disrespectful.

[Oi_Ve]

Even if you aren't religious you should say some sort of thanks for being able to eat, you heathens! Too many people in this damn world starve as is, yall should be grateful you aren't one of them!

And whats this about not taking your hat off at the table?! What's wrong with you people? You raised in a barn?

[Jimbo]

Even if you aren't religious you should say some sort of thanks for being able to eat, you heathens! Too many people in this damn world starve as is, yall should be grateful you aren't one of them!

And whats this about not taking your hat off at the table?! What's wrong with you people? You raised in a barn?


No hats at the table but legalized drugs and prostitution?! Priorties, Ve:icon_wink

[Oi_Ve]

No hats at the table but legalized drugs and prostitution?!

Difference between what you should do and you should be ABLE to do there, Jimbo.

[Oi_Ve]

what about strict muslims or jews that have high numbers of recommended prayers a day? 5,7?


Proud Muslim had a little @#$% who tried to pull a stunt like that in his class once: trying to get out of work by claiming he was Muslim and had to pray.

He put it better than I ever could: "God Oft-Forgiving, Ever Merciful" and told the brat to get back in his seat.

:icon_lol:

[The anti liberal]

People have always been able to pray in school and it wasn't until the 1960s when some athiest got the prayers to stop. If the founding fathers had no problem with praying before thier meetings and in school and they are the ones who wrote the constitution, then why should we? If you don't want to pray you don't have to but don't tell others they can't. That goes for all religions.
Shotdrops your avatar is bizarre. Dolein08 you sound like a DIRC.

[shotdrops286]

Shotdrops your avatar is bizarre.

its not bizarre..bizarre is a rapper with eminem

thats sid haig from house of a 1000 corpses and devils Rejects

[alwaysRight]

I just never got how in this country we let the minority of people rule over the majority of people....

It happens in SO many situations, including this one.

[shotdrops286]

I just never got how in this country we let the minority of people rule over the majority of people....

It happens in SO many situations, including this one.


when all the minorities get together against the majority they become switched...the minority becomes the majority...plus they have a lot of advocacy groups that like to push small time politicians around and when that happens its all downhill

[Dagummit]

what do you live in the 12th century? i remember a incident when i was in high school when an elderly gentlemen had a problem with my friends ball cap in a fast food restaurant, he told my friend to remove, and he didnt, and then he actually took the cap from my buddys head and put it on the table!!!! had he known my friend was from scotland and a fit footballer he might've not done that :wink:

i havent heard a string of british cusses that long since!! i believe he wouldnt have had one problem throwing down on a old man either, he offered to take it outside. the guy's wife's face was beet red!!!

i personally think little things like are old and on the way out, it's like a religion limiting what foods you can and cannot eat. i just dont understand it one bit!

ok if you're at a nice restaurant i understand it, but its mcdonalds even the employees cuss and are disrespectful.

I bet you think it is okay to spit, burp, and fart at the dinner table too, right?

But you wearing a hat at a dinner table, be it Outback or McD's shows a lack of decent upbringing.

[Oi_Ve]

IBut you wearing a hat at a dinner table, be it Outback or McD's shows a lack of decent upbringing.

you aren't just whistling Dixie there, brother!

[PolyPartisan]

There's more religion in school then you may realize. I go to a public school, and there's both a Bible club and a Fellowship of Christian Athletes. The courts have ruled that it is actually unconstitutional to not allow voluntary religious activities in school.

[Peace_by_superior _power]

Poly partisian your quote says it all. If your allowed to pray then so should i. I should not have to give up rights to peacefully assemble and to speak freely no matter where i am. if that offends you to bad. the democarts have been fighting for the right to offend for years. you have the freedom to walk away, but if you infringe on my rights and personal freedoms then we will have a problem. i go to a catholic school and we open every class with prayer; it takes 5 minutes and puts us in a good mindset to learn or talk to each other what ever.