Save Tookie!

[alwaysRight]

If you watch the news at all, you may have seen this a few times. Certain people in Hollywood/California, want to have Arnold grant clemency to Stan "Tookie" Williams, the founder of the Crips, who was convicted of murdering 4 people. People such as Snoop Dog and Jamie Foxx are really petitioning for this. I went to the website today which is savetookie.org and one thing I found funny was that there are pre-written petition letters that you just put your name on and send in.

Here's an example:

Dear Governor Schwarzenegger:


Please do not allow the execution of Stanley Tookie Williams. There are facts about his case that show that racial injustices have taken place. He is one ex-gang member that can reach the gang kids - or potential future gang kids - and help them turn their lives around. Don't lose him! The teens of today desperately need his kind of approach and knowledge in the reality of street gang life so they can make life-saving, better choices. Stanley Tookie Williams represents hope to these kids. Don't kill their hope.

I know you care about youth, Governor. Please support our youth by granting clemency to Mr. Williams.

{Your name and address}


What has "Tookie" done in the past 10-20 years to help stop gangs? Is it working? If Arnold keeps him alive, will gangs cease to exist? How many teens lives has he turned around so far?

So I am curious as to what your ideas on this are? I wonder if a white male/female was placed on death row and scheduled for execution and claimed he/she was innocent for 20 years if the black Hollywood stars would fight for their clemency also? Any thoughts?

[Goose]

If people think he has changed, and can help stop gangs, that's fine. However, simply because he can reach gang members of today does not mean he should no longer be held accountable for his past actions.

[alwaysRight]

I'm not saying that this is one in several cases, but if this guy was a former Klansmen and he said for 20 years that he was innocent and he changed his ways, would Snoop Dogg speak out for the clemency of that man?

I'm not trying to make it a racial issue, it's just a question that I had.

The point is, if this man has turned away from the gang lifestyle, good job, congratulations. But you still have to answer for the past actions you have made.

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

Im not making it racial, it's just the truth I am 100% sure Snoop Dogg would not stand up for a former klansmen, like I said though it all goes back to race everytime their is a black man and women for that matter on death row you will always find protesters, protesting the race card.

Do you have a link or a picture of the people he "supposly" killed?

[alwaysRight]

Snoop was a former member of the Crips so maybe that's why he's so gung-ho about getting this guy out of being executed.

I don't have any pictures, I have been trying for a while to find some. If you google his name, you can find an abundance of links that state facts about the whole case.

His victims were Albert Owens, Tsai Shai yang, Yen I. Yang and their daughter, Ye Chen Lin. I found these names on the History channel's website. All were murdered with a shot gun and there were many witnesses to these crimes.

[Wadi66]

Is it working? If Arnold keeps him alive, will gangs cease to exist? How many teens lives has he turned around so far?The only thing that deters crime is punishment. Yes the criminal MAY be different now, age and time away from society has a tendancy to do that. But will the criminals changes stop another young person from making the same mistake? No. If you read back over the portion of "The Law" that is posted here, you'll find sensible logic that the punishment must be so severe as to convince the criminal that the crime isn't worth the punishment.

[erichthewebguy]

I've been following this closely as well. Last week, Snoop hosted a rally outside the prision where Tookie (btw - if he's so reformed, why does he still go by his street name? hmmm) is staying, and a freakin GANG FIGHT broke out! It resulted in two people being shot, one fatally. Ironic, ain't it?


What has "Tookie" done in the past 10-20 years to help stop gangs? Is it working?
Obviously he has done nothing, and nothing leads to nothing. That's why he couldn't stop the gangs at his own freakin rally.

That bastard needs to fry. If Arnold grants him clemency, he can kiss his political career bye bye. I would predict a successful recall election on short order.

[erichthewebguy]

I just found this article that lists some celebrities who sympathize with the dirtbag in question:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/000396print.html

[erichthewebguy]

Also found a letter to Arnie from a family member of the voctim:

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My name is Lora Owens. I am the stepmother of Albert Lewis Owens. My husband, Albert's father, has died so I also speak for him since we discussed this letter frequently over the years. I am writing you concerning clemency for Stanley "Tookie" Williams who murdered Albert in 1979 by shooting him twice in the back. Within seconds, though Albert pleaded for his life, Williams chose to become the judge, jury and executioner of Albert, then laughed as he lay dying. In 1981, Williams was tried, convicted and sentenced to death for the murders he committed in cold blood. Now the many, many years of appeals have also been denied and the facts remain steadfast and the verdict remains firm.

Now that the appeals have been denied, Williams has decided on a new tactic. A female friend has entered his life who happens to be a journalist who wants to write children's books against gangs. Since the defense of brain damage in his appeals did not gain him anything, Williams decided to become an articulate author denouncing gang activity. He doesn't assist the authorities in stopping gang activity by "debriefing" however, but concentrates on teaching primary school age children the "walk and talk" of gang life. This he claims will deter them from joining a gang.

The Nobel Peace Prize nominations, from the first to the last, have been made by activists who see an opportunity to further their personal cause.The first was quoted to have made the nomination to "raise the awareness of the death penalty to a higher degree". Totally nothing to do with Williams and whether he deserved the recognition but for a political agenda.

This has been true of each nomination since.

They have quoted that it doesn't matter what he has done in the past but what he is doing now.

I contend that he is not doing anything now to warrant any type of award and it definitely does matter what he has done in the past. It would matter to anyone whose child is dying in a pool of blood because Williams had the loaded gun and chose to shoot- not in self defense-but shot innocent, unarmed victims simply bcause he could.

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

Snoop was a former member of the Crips so maybe that's why he's so gung-ho about getting this guy out of being executed.

Yea you are right about that.


That bastard needs to fry. If Arnold grants him clemency, he can kiss his political career bye bye. I would predict a successful recall election on short order.

Actually I hope he dosn't run agian because I want him to make some more movies. He needs to make a Terminator 4 where he takes out all the liberals trying to destroy the country.

[FKLBRLS]

I heard about this on Thursday. Nobel Peace Prize? Maybe I should right a kid's book about marijuana because I used to know a stoner (never done it myself) and see if I get the peace prize. That's all he did, he wrote a kid's book about gangs and get ====ing nominated! Apparently, this is how the law works (in real life. if you are a liberal then you are blind to this and it makes no sense because it isn't true in the BS dreamworld that you live in): If you are black, do anything you want, because it is now racist to punish a black person. It is a "violation of civil rights" if a black person is convicted of a crime. Even if there is overwhelming evidence. And if you are black, evidence against you means nothing because you can just say, "Oh, you guys are just part of a conspiracy to convict black people."

Tookie better not get that clemency thing. He is a murderer who doesn't deserve any kind of "get out of jail free because you wrote a children's book" card.

[Madcowhunter]

Tookie must die! He's been in prison for some 26 years now, it is time for his passing. He murdered four people, and in a brutal way at that. He is the founder of the crips, another gang in organized crime, which is responsible for numerous criminal activities. Not to mention, if it weren't for the crips, the bloods would have never existed.

I live in the city of Tacoma, not very large city. But there is a place near downtown, it is called Hilltop, and it is dangerously active with gang crime (bloods and crips). I have a brother, 30 years old now. When he was 15 years old, he played on the soccer team at his highschool. The team sweater (which he was wearing) was red, and he was walking home when a car stopped by him. A black man walked out of the car and headed toward my brother, he put a gun to his chest, and said "If I ever see wearing my colors again. I will kill you."

This kind of behavior cannot be tolerated, and the man respnsible for it deserves to die.

EDIT: FKLBRLS, while I agree with you, you are wrong about why he was nominated for the Peace Prize. He is responsible for a peace agreement between the Bloods and the Crips. Which is a remarkable thing to do, seems how they are sworn enemies (history of the bloods below), and possibly the most deadly gangs in the US.

The bloods were created in the early 70's, around a decade or so after the founding of the crips. Several members from different gangs in LA were being murdered by Crips. So the small gangs had a meeting, and formed a 'coalition' against the Crips. They made their colors red because it is the oppisite of blue, which is the color of the Crips. So, the Bloods were founded out of defense against the Crips, making them sworn enemies. Which is why a peace agreement between the two is so remarkarable.

[Bumblebee]

You're right MCH, and I voted no clemensy. This man killed 4 people by shooting them in the back. What about the victims? What about how the parents and family, whose lives have been changed forever because of him?

These Hollywood celebrities think they are all so powerful with big egos.
If I was a celebrity, I wouldn't try to push my politics or religion. They have their careers on the line. What's wrong with these people?

Hmmm, I just noticed, I seem to write posts with question marks? :confused:

[alwaysRight]

The fact is that he can change his ways but he still would need to answer for his past actions.

So hopefully one day, if one of you commits the act of murder, you can write a children's book and all the celebs will petition for you! :wink:

[Madcowhunter]

Again, people don't love him for writing a book. But for bringing peace to the Bloods and Crips.

[erichthewebguy]

Again, people don't love him for writing a book. But for bringing peace to the Bloods and Crips.
Good, there's nothing bad that can come from his making peace between the two groups of idiots. Hopefully that will score him some points when he meets his maker on the 13th!

[Bumblebee]

He was the leader of the crips, who are responsible for hundreds of killings. I believe we are what we are. We can't forget the victims.

[Topiary Lady]

Have no fear!
Snoop Dog is here!

Looks to me like the liberal celebrity/activist's are desperate for a cause. Unfortunatly here in California we allow such scum as ole "Tookie" to sit around for years thinking up ways to try and gain sympathy. Naturally, the Hollywierd crowd falls for it.

Stanley "Tookie" Williams BRAGGED that he "Blew some White guy away, shot him in the back, for $63." Pardon me Snoop, but does'nt that look like a hate crime? If it were reversed and had been a white on black crime with such a comment, I seriously doubt that doggy would be standing outside a prison barking out love songs to the poor poor imprisoned murderer. Also, if "Tookie" has made such remarkable progress turning his life around in prison, then why does he still use his gangsta name? Why not call himself Stanley instead of "Tookie"?

"Tookie" needs to be terminated. The Governator needs to do the right thing and let the date with the executioner stand. If Arnold were to grant clemency to this clown, he'll be done in this state. Carry out the punishment and watch Arnolds #'s go up. The people have already spoken and "Tookie" must die for his crimes.

Yo Yo Yo
"Tookie" Gotta Go!

Oh, as far as the Nobel Peace Prize goes. I say send them the body. They can stuff the "Tookster" and hang him on the wall like a giant crucifix in the Church Of Liberal Nut-Jobs.

[Dagummit]

Let his ass ride the lightning!

[Guns R Cool]

Try 'em and fry 'em.

Look at my sig. Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.

[Guns R Cool]

nergo
Hmm.


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[Dagummit]

I told the blacks this worthless nergo set your people back and you should celebrate his death so your people could move forward.

What did they say?

[IHL]

I want to know who in their feeble mind voted 'yes' to this 'Should 'Tookie' Wilson be granted clemensy? Since this is an anonymous poll, I won't 'out' those that voted yes. So if you wish to remain anonymous I will not say who it was but hopefully they will explain their vote.

[Madcowhunter]

I voted no. But I can see why someone would vote yes. That is, if they really believe he has changed. Or perhaps it is one of the people who are against capital punishment.

I myself believe he changed. But while he has changed, he hasn't done enough to make up for his past deeds. Blood must be repaid in turn for the innocent blood he murdered.
"One good deed is not enough to redeem a man of a lifetime's wickedness"- Pirates of the Carribean.

[Count Rugen]

Since this is an anonymous poll, I won't 'out' those that voted yes. So if you wish to remain anonymous I will not say who it was but hopefully they will explain their vote.
I voted yes. My beliefs prevent me from supporting the death penalty.