Save Tookie!

[Argonath]

That's why I say we give Tookie clemency. Let him writhe in the abyss of prison! Oz all over again! :icon_twis

[erichthewebguy]

That's why I say we give Tookie clemency. Let him writhe in the abyss of prison! Oz all over again!
Not gonna happen. As far as prisoners go, he has it good. He is WELL protected, and almost all of the gang members look to him as a God.

[alwaysRight]

so what's your beef? the fact i'm agreeing with you 95%? do you even read liberal posts to completion before the "reactionary" buzzer starts going off in your head? jesus!

Whoa there cowboy... before you go buckwild on TL, why don't YOU read the posts! She never once said that YOU said he was reformed. That's what everyone ELSE is saying. So if you would READ the previous posts you would find that 1 reason behind him getting clemency is the claim that he has been reformed and has renounced his gangster lifestyle.

Take a vic and relax buddy...

[Topiary Lady]

Hold your horses there jack. I was not attacking anything you said. If you've read my posts on this site then you'd KNOW that when I attack a certain person's views, I am clear about it. Despite what some know-nothings might say, I am hardly a "scared old bitty" when it comes to my opinions.

I was pointing to the FACT that ole "Tookie" is NOT reformed. My opinion of someone who is truly reformed is that this would be a person who has come clean with their crimes and has been truly sorry for their actions. Look, I'm all about forgiveness for those who have chosen a new path. However, I still see a need to carry out a punishment for someone like "Tookie" (A GANGSTA NAME) who has had nothing but time on his hands to create this image of a do-gooder.

You think his books are a "noble act"? Give me a break. In a nutshell, "Tookie" is simply just one more inmate in a prison who has learned to play the sympathy game. I'm sad for you that you've fallen for it.

[toddy rotton]

This, friends, is tooooo cool!! the whole thing is here:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/oluwatoyin120805.htm

I deleted much of the redundant info. but near as I can tell T.Lady may have a case for copyright infringement either that or she poses as a black man writing for a Canadian newspaper EH? Look closely at the prose :wink: . Canada says: "EH? EH? EH? Tookie can't stay". :icon_mrgr

From Tookie to Toronto:
lessons in black on black crime
By Anthony Oluwatoyin
Thursday, December 8, 2005

Canadians were shocked when Toronto's ever-expanding gang warfare culminated in the recent brazen, daylight murder of one black youth mourner at the very funeral of another black youth victim.

White liberalism was never more impotent to explain such a dramatic turn in the particular field of its vaunted expertise. But as always in these matters there is much to learn from that great laboratory of ethnic experimentation. Black America.

Take the case of Stanley Tookie Williams. The 51-year-old African American is the cold-blooded coward on death row in California whose death, set for Dec. 13, has global white liberalism itself in the death throes of diabolical apologetics.

...certifying Tookie's guilt, in the most liberal jurisdiction on the face of the earth, Governor Arnold ("Terminator") Schwarzenegger has been arm-wrestled into scheduling a clemency hearing for Tookie this Thursday, Dec. 8.

Williams will die for four murders...(despite)...bleeding heart diminutives...

...the crowning criminal achievement of what prosecutors at the time rightly called the "Bengal Tiger" outside its "natural habitat."

Tiger Tookie was born to kill...

True to form, the beast regaled his colleagues with accounts of victim Albert Owens: "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him." Tookie then made gurgling, growling noises and laughed about Owens’ death.

But to hear Hollywood tell it, the murder of Owens, who was white, was a black on white fatality from the era of race riots and white police brutality. Just the kind of revisionist feed that fuels opposition to capital punishment.

...No grand socio-reformatory statement there...jungle savagery. I was certainly never embedded in white racial guilt.

To save Tookie is to sacrifice the blood-right of a people to weed itself of a poison ivy to its very existence... When every black predator is treated to the equal ethnic empathy of any black man, white liberalism becomes the root of all evil... For then no black community can separate Hitler from his daily grind of victims.

You would think that white liberals, so concerned with uniquely vulnerable ethnic self-esteem... they indulge a lethal disconcern that disdains the very foundations of right versus wrong....

What saves lives on a day to day basis is the view normal people have of the infliction of suffering.

With equal opportunity annihilators like Tookie, this attitude will cross the racial divide. But basically, pigment needs sameness to mirror, again and again, that it is just what it is and cannot help but be. Thus, from Tookie to Toronto to Timbuktu, from burning Paris to Boston's record homicide this year, the victims of black crime are overwhelmingly disproportionately also black.

Small wonder, black men in the barbershop of Tookie's old neighbourhood, in spite of obvious dangers that could come from Tookie's Crips, openly on national TV, condemn Tookie, all these years later, saying he must die.

While Hollywood stars apologize for Tookie, the beast itself apologizes for not one of his murder convictions. He simply denies all four.

So what is there to forgive?... granting of a clemency hearing is an abomination. The governor has no jurisdiction to retry the case... you cannot forgive a man for something he did not do.

So Tookie's case reduces back to simple due process. Fact-finding in a fair trial. But again, Tookie has had a lifetime of examination and re-examination, all at great cost to taxpayers who include, of course, relatives of victims of his monstrous deeds.

Uber-liberal California is nevertheless staunchly (66 - 70%) for the death penalty. Instead of a clemency hearing, Schwarzenegger would do well to conduct a Multicultural Presentation Ceremony of the lives of Tookie's victims and their surviving relatives.

It's time to redress a gross imbalance. Tookie's tony set has had him nominated for Nobel prize after Nobel prize. It's time to nominate the victims of this ape for justice.

Anthony Oluwatoyin, a columnist for The Afro News, writes on politics, race and religion. He can be reached at oluwatoyin63@yahoo.ca

[Topiary Lady]

Great minds think alike Toddy!

As far as Mr. Williams' conviction is concerned, my understanding is that there was a security camera video in the convienence store. I guess that liberals think it was doctored or that perhaps once "Tookie" and the clerk were out of sight in the back room, the clerk took the gun away from "Tookie" and then shot himself in his own back, twice.

Well, well, well, as I write this I am hearing that Snoop Dog's new album is about to be released. Is'nt it interesting that he's making such a comotion and getting his name out there in the daily press just as his album is released? Oh how I hate the Hollywierd crowd. Heh heh heh. Now Ed Asner is spouting off on a radio show.

The Governator had better do the right thing. I'm tired of this ridiculous circus clown "Tookie". Besides, I did not know what to get my husband for his birthday this coming tuesday, and he says that "Tookie's" departure will be a nice little giftie-poo.

[Topiary Lady]

Great. Now Arnold is being threatened that L.A. will burn if clemency is not granted. Who will we have to thank if riots break out and L.A. burns once again? LIBERALS! They are the ones that have made such a big deal about saving this cold blooded killer. They are the ones getting L.A.'s loosers all riled up. Will Snoop Dog, Susan Sarandon, Mike Farrell, Ed Asner and all of their pals call for peace? Will they call for forgiveness for Arnold if he does not make the decision that they want? Will they re-build the hood after it's lovely residents burn down their own houses? Should'nt the (now reformed) "Tookie" be calling for peace since he's such a pillar now?

This is a bunch of garbage. NO CLEMENCY!!! governor@governor.ca.gov

Yo Yo Yo
"Tookie" Gotta Go!

[toddy rotton]

http://www.blogs4god.com/node/846

omg, rotfl, etc.... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

won't some smart computer person start a countdown clock?

[Argonath]

Not gonna happen. As far as prisoners go, he has it good. He is WELL protected, and almost all of the gang members look to him as a God.


Dammit. Mabye if we hire one of his cell mates to accidentally take his pants off. . .

[Madcowhunter]

Argo... There is no way in hell you are a lib. Or even a moderate lib for that matter.
Anyways, a government funded rape isn't exactly the best way to go in my opinion. I'm not in the mood for a fresh scandal.

[Topiary Lady]

There is another clock I'm watching Dag. It's the one where Arnold either stands up for the people of my state, or caves in to his Hollywood buddy list. The punishment needs to stand, or Arnold will not only be out of his current line of work, but on the conservative shit list for all time. "Tookie's" victims deserve justice, and I personally am sickened that Arnold is even considering sparing the life of this piece of human garbage.

[Bumblebee]

TL, he's a politician first, he wants to make it look like he considered upon it, so he won't lose too many voters on the left. He most likely already knew what he would do from the start. No clemensy.

[scipio62]

It seems everyone is as sick as I am about the way the Hollywood types fawn all over this "Tookie" Williams. Two dozen years of trials and appeals and nobody has been convinced he's not guilty of the murders committed, and he still refuses to admit to them.

I am not a bleeding heart liberal, but there's another guy on death row in Mississippi, yet his case seems to be a complete travesty. He's an admitted cop killer, which under normal circumstances warrants the sentence of death. But, read on.

The man, Cory Maye (who is also black, like "Tookie"), lived in a duplex in a tough neighborhood, had a young daughter living with him, and he owned a gun. In the other part of a duplex lived drug dealers that had been targeted by the police, and Maye does not appear to have ever associated with or knew them. Normally, the police need to be given the benefit of the doubt when they have to make a tough bust of individuals like these. However, the police didn't seem to know this was a duplex and Maye's place had no doors to the other residency. There's a law in Mississippi where the police are allowed to enter a premise (if they have all the proper warrants) without announcing their intentions. This is what they did when they entered Maye's residence. He awoke without knowing who had entered his place and thought someone had broken in. Protecting his daughter, he pulled his gun and shot and killed one of the policemen. This was in 2001.

Based on what I've read, the above information came out in his trial, yet he was convicted of murder and sentenced to die, and that's where things are now. The trial itself seems to have been a big sham, something out of the George Wallace days. Better details about this can be found at Publicola (http://publicola.mu.nu/archives/2005/12/08/the_night_that_the_lights_went_out_in_mississippi. html), along with links that have more details.

Hardly anyone knows about this case. But because ol' "Tookie" is a founding member of Snoop Dogg's old street gang the Crips, he gets all of the Hollywood libs and the usual nutcases crying foul and saying how "gooood" "Tookie" is because he now doesn't promote street gangs (maybe he should have thought of that two dozen years ago). Yet a responsible man, who seems to have been truly shafted by the Mississippi court system, awaits his penalty, and nobody in Hollywood mentions this case, or probably knows anything about it.

The libs keep saying how saving "Tookie's" will send a message of hope to those in street gangs. What a crock of crap. It seems to send the following messages:

It's OK to be in a street gang, especially if you're poor and stupid.
It's OK to not admit to the crime, because being poor (and, in this case, black) caused you to be part of a street gang, which caused you to commit crimes; you're not responsible.
It's OK to commit murder while in the street gang, as long as you appear to do "good" in prison later, and are recognized by Hollywood libs, many of whom were in the Crips.
If you have no friends in Hollywood, and/or weren't one of their co-members in one of the street gangs that was part of their past, you're screwed.

Sorry to be so long, but these cases leave a bad taste in my mouth.

[Topiary Lady]

I'm sure you're right Bumblebee. However, I think that this whole thing is getting the gang bangers in L.A. all riled up and ready to riot. Now we're finally hearing about it and it will most likely happen. Then we'll all have to pay for it. See the further damage all this causes? "Tookie's" carcass should have been quietly disposed of long ago.

Looks like a situation where we can only hope for the best, but must now be ready for the worst. Any wagers on whether or not Snoop Dog, Mikie Farrell and their other "Tookie" defenders will march in the streets of South Central pleading for calm the way they have pleaded for their beloved murderer? Not a chance. They'll be safely at home enjoying a foot massage while law enforcement will be out putting their lives on the line during the liberal induced riots. In the near future, the blood of our cops may just be on the hands of the liberal Hollywood elites.

[Argonath]

a government funded rape isn't exactly the best way to go in my opinion.


GOVERNMENT FUNDED?!?!?

[Bumblebee]

I'm sure you're right Bumblebee. However, I think that this whole thing is getting the gang bangers in L.A. all riled up and ready to riot. Now we're finally hearing about it and it will most likely happen. Then we'll all have to pay for it. See the further damage all this causes? "Tookie's" carcass should have been quietly disposed of long ago.

Looks like a situation where we can only hope for the best, but must now be ready for the worst. Any wagers on whether or not Snoop Dog, Mikie Farrell and their other "Tookie" defenders will march in the streets of South Central pleading for calm the way they have pleaded for their beloved murderer? Not a chance. They'll be safely at home enjoying a foot massage while law enforcement will be out putting their lives on the line during the liberal induced riots. In the near future, the blood of our cops may just be on the hands of the liberal Hollywood elites.
Yes, I hear the talk about the riots, but if there is, we are preparing ahead, just in case. If there are riots, I don't think it will be like the last terrible one we had. If it happens, you can tell me, "See, I told you so." :smile:
I can't believe how so many people are against getting rid of this creep.

[BushRocks]

A FEW CHILDREN'S BOOKS ERASE 4 MURDERS?

WOW. These people sure know how to pick them, damn snoop dawg.

[aaron22]

Just imagine for a second that tookie was a conservative. Would the same effort be made for clemency then? I guess it is impossible to say, but I think the libs would try to burn him at the stake.

[erichthewebguy]

Just imagine for a second that tookie was a conservative.
[BEGIN CANNED BS LIB REPLY]

If he were a conservative, he would not be trying to save children. He would be trying to eat them.

[END CANNED BS LIB REPLY]

[toddy rotton]

Just imagine for a second that tookie was a conservative. Would the same effort be made for clemency then? I guess it is impossible to say, but I think the libs would try to burn him at the stake.

Some BUT....
i don't believe it makes a diff. one way or the other. those who oppose the death penalty would still speak out, maybe not to the degee where they are singing "all we are saying is let tookie live" to John Lennons "peace" song?! (i about barfed) BUT i believe if it were a Christian, who truly was ok with the consequences of his crimes the silence would be deafening. that "du" site would be full of mean remarks such as, let his God save him!

[Topiary Lady]

Here's a good one:

I the 25 years "Tookie" has been in prison he has written two (supposedly monumental) childrens books that the Hollywood elites would like us to believe have saved untold number of kids from the gang lifestyle.

To date, book #1 has sold 330 copies. Book #2, 2 copies. Way to go "Tookie".

Yo Yo Yo
"Tookie's Gotta Go!

[toddy rotton]

with over 1500 views and 164 posts (165 counting this one).... time 4 closure or should the thread be shut down one minute past midnight??? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :wink:

p.s. 12:34 12/12/05 kabc lala land said "nothing stopping execution, arnold and courts say nope! (paraphrasing)".

[SgtATON]

What? Snoop dog said that we should let him go? Oh, well never mind, case closed. If Snoop Dog says that Tookie can get away with murder then we should all bow down to this genius and let him run our judicial system.

I am sick of famous people talking publicly about things that they have no clue about. Did we forget that Snoop Dog's music glorifies gangs and their illegal activity? Oops forgot about all those "blue flag hanging out my left side, yeah that's the Crips side" lyrics didn't we?