Lets think here for a minute

[Android]

Tonight I was sitting back, watching all the bobble headed politicians on the news and I started wondering what would happen if they came through on their threats. Threats as in forcing a pull out of our troops in Iraq in a hurried - up manner.

Do you believe these politicians actually think anything through? Do they look past the vote for their next pay raise?

I just cant help thinking if we pull out now, everything we have done to this point is tossed away. I know, I know, we have threads covering this same topic but to add a few more concerns of mine, I thought I point them out in a new thread. One of those concerns; how long do you think it would be before we had to send troops back to wipe out yet another regime? You dam well know if we leave now all those citizens will be shown on TV being slaughtered by one extreme or another, you can bet your tax dollars on that. Then I bet all we here from these same bobble heads is how bad the US and George Bush screwed all those people, and how we ruined yet another future for yet another generation. I bet we also will here about how can never finish things we start, bla bla bla. I thought all these bleeding hearts were concerned with how the rest of the world viewed us here back in the states? If we up and leave now, what do these bone heads think will happen? I tell you what will happen, civil war. Then the rest of the world will have a legitimate bitch about the US for a change. Hey Liberal, clean the shit out of your ears. Listen to your selves.

Hell, some of our own politicians wanted to see 20,000 filled body bags coming home with flags draped across them just to say, "told you so"! Well, if we pull out now, I bet we have to go back between two to five years from now, clean up the mess, and then the Kennedy's and Pelosi's wishes for body bags will come true. And then, they can finally pat them selves on the back for being right.
Ted, Nancy, I'm giving you the big "double bird". SCREW YOU.

[Guns R Cool]

Every military personnel I have seen on the news, whether for or against the war, are completely against pulling our soldiers out now.

[Android]

Every military personnel I have seen on the news, whether for or against the war, are completely against pulling our soldiers out now.

Unfortunately, they have no say in the matter.

[Argonath]

I dont think we should pull out immediately, but we really need a time-table or goal for our exit plan. As far as I know, we have no exit plan of any kind. . . If anyone knows of one, dont be afraid to tell me where I can find a copy or some info. on it.

[Android]

I dont think we should pull out immediately, but we really need a time-table or goal for our exit plan. As far as I know, we have no exit plan of any kind. . . If anyone knows of one, dont be afraid to tell me where I can find a copy or some info. on it.
What is with this time table you keep talking about? How can you schedule a war? If we put a time table on the war, then our enemy knows the time table as well. Oh, you say "what does that matter"? Think about it. Ask your self how the enemy could use this information against us.
Another scenario, we put a time table on the war, we don't finish things up according to this alleged time table. What do we do? Just pack up and leave, say screw it? Of coarse not, we stay, we finish things up. So what good did this stupid time table do?

[Argonath]

Well, I did mention a goal, at least. I also wondered about the exit plan. We cant rebuild a country on a whim, nobody can. "Hmm. . . We'll put the power station there. . . houses there. . . and maby- OH SHIT!" *general disaster*.

Also, with CNN and MSNBC and FOX giving away our attack plan the day before we attack a city or something isnt a good plan, either. But, you are right, timetables dont really make sense. But, we do need a plan. . . If you have a link. . . ?

[Bumblebee]

Android, you're right about many things you said, but you forgot to add that if we pulled out, we would look really weak to the world. We already lost one war, and look what happened to their citizens, we will always look weak from then on. We will look like what Osama Bin Laden has already called us after we we withdrew from Somalia, he said we ran with our tail between our legs.
I think we would be bombed right away, too.

I heard on the O'Reilly show, that they found out that terroists have crossed our borders from Mexico recently. They're in here now, you can bet we will be attacked. It's a matter of time. Will the people believe we're in a real war after that?

I also heard from the same show, that the military have been at the borders. They've caught over two thousand and I forget how many pounds of marijuana seeds. O'Reilly was perplexed why this has not been mentioned, and he wondered if it could be that the administration didn't want to hear all the bitching from the left. I saw only part of this on his show, if anyone can find something about it, please add a link. O'Reilly said he stumbled on this information by accident.

[Android]

Well, I did mention a goal, at least. I also wondered about the exit plan. We cant rebuild a country on a whim, nobody can. "Hmm. . . We'll put the power station there. . . houses there. . . and maby- OH SHIT!" *general disaster*.

Also, with CNN and MSNBC and FOX giving away our attack plan the day before we attack a city or something isnt a good plan, either. But, you are right, timetables dont really make sense. But, we do need a plan. . . If you have a link. . . ?
A plan? I think the plan is to win. Haven't we been over this? In other words, when shit quits going "boom" and its safe for the locals and the Iraqi Police / Army to operate the country, then we leave. Yeah, I think we've been over this.
B.B, you are right, I did forget that important detail. You are correct on all points. :smile:

[Android]

Arg, here's a couple of links for ya. These countries were rebuilt on a "whim" too:

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2136.html Yep, that ones doing pretty good after we kicked their ass. Notice the year their constitution was drafted.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gm.html Another country who screwed with us, of coarse, The U.S. rebuilt them too.

Oh, we can't forget our favorite charity case of them all....
http://www.discoverfrance.net/

That's how the US of A does it.

[RLord4268]

The keft makes it look as though there is no progress being made in Iraq either; as though nothing is going on but terrorist attacks and bombings. Look in the news flash section and you will see a story that the left left out. They don't shot that there are schools being built everyday, and roads and what not, they make it look the coutnry is one big battleground, and a batterrd wasteland. This is why we cant pull out right away, because all of the time and money, and most importantly lives we have spent on this problem. I say we end this insurgency. Cordon off the damn sunni triangle, and give everyone a day or two to get the hell out, and then carpet bomb it into dust. If we dont let the military do their job, and be aggressive, then we have no hope of ending a guerilla war against the insurgents.

[Schmitty27]

Exit strategy is simple, wait until Iraq is able to defend herself by her own means, then leave. Yeah it may take a while, but its more advantageous to them if we leave when we are sure that they can handle everything by themselves. Unfortunately Rome can't be built in a day, and every day that passes makes it a little tougher on the soldiers.

We've become way too impaitent because of the constant coverage on the rebuilding of Iraq. Other places took this long too, but very few people heard about the progress often. You'd get your newspaper, it said schools and industry are beginning to be in operation and elections are being held tomorrow. Well nowadays that report wouldn't fly with anyone so they have to stick with the negative side of the news. Can anyone explain why 90% of news reports are about negative things?

[Oi_Ve]

People would do well to actually listen to the troops and stop spouting off about 'our duty' to them. These are the people who die every day, the people who will be called 'terrorists' (if you're John Kerry...Rush listeners know what I mean).
They should have the right to decide whether their sacrifices and work be fruitful or in vain.

[aaron22]

Pull out? We can't give up now. No way! The job isn't over. I can't even imagine what types of terrorist attacks will fall upon us if we pull out now. We can't show our enemies weakness or they will feed upon it and 9/11 will seem small in comparison to future attacks. Andriod has the right idea. Why can't Nancy Pelosi understand how ridiculous the idea of an immediate retreat is? If you really want all those dead soldiers lives to have been shed for nothing do things the Pelosi way, but for me perserverance will lead to victory. Remember "Rome wasn't built in a day."

[rightwingxtremist]

I dont think we should pull out immediately, but we really need a time-table or goal for our exit plan.

Greetings,

I would be curious to know if anyone can cite any war of any era that had a time table; particularly one that was to be determined by politicians and publically declared? It seems to me that such a time table would have to have been the result of the use of a crystal ball.

- N

[Wadi66]

Greetings,

I would be curious to know if anyone can cite any war of any era that had a time table; particularly one that was to be determined by politicians and publically declared? It seems to me that such a time table would have to have been the result of the use of a crystal ball.

- NYeah, there was viet nam. The politicians pulled the plug on that one too, left our boys hanging in the wind and resulted in the deaths of over a million people. Of course the time table consisted of "when it looks like the US is winning" get out. And I might remind everyone it was the democrats then also. They've got the blood of a million people on their hands.

[Dagummit]

Yeah, there was viet nam. The politicians pulled the plug on that one too, left our boys hanging in the wind and resulted in the deaths of over a million people. Of course the time table consisted of "when it looks like the US is winning" get out. And I might remind everyone it was the democrats then also. They've got the blood of a million people on their hands.

Ho Chi Minh even said that the N. Vietnamese wouldn't have went on as long if they didn't see all the anti-war American's protesting the war and spitting on US Soldiers. He said that is what gave the Viet Cong motivation to continue the war.

Soooo...if the likes of Jane Fonda, John Kerry, etc. didn't protest the way they did, the Viet Cong would have gave up long before the US pullout in 1975. It may have only lasted for a couple of years, versus over a decade.

The same should hold true for the war in Iraq...the Cindy Sheehans of the US are fueling the insurgency to continue over there.

[Goose]

would be curious to know if anyone can cite any war of any era that had a time table; particularly one that was to be determined by politicians and publically declared? During WWII, didn't the allies expect to have defeated Germany before Christmas 1944? I believe V-E Day wasn't until May 1945. This might not have been publicly declared though; maybe someone that knows a bit more about this can comment.

[Argonath]

It was believed that Operation: Market Garden would clear a way to the major industrial area of Germany. Once that way was open, they would be able to role over Germany's tank and plane production, not to mention ammunition and guns. Unfortunately, Market Garden was foiled by complete accident from the Germans. I think it was the 5th Panzer Division, which was moved back to the city which was the main target for the Allies, Eindhoven (pronounced "eye-n-doe-ven"). This withdrawl made the taking of Eindhoven impossible, due in part that the Allies invading didn't have many anti-tank weapons available, and were also cut off from the Shermans coming up the line. Eventually, they took the bridge at Eindhoven, but almost immediately afterwards, the Germans overwhelmed the Allies. only 1 man out of 10,000 was believed to have survived. And, NO, I'm not getting my info. from the movie "A Bridge Too Far", I actually study my ass off! With no friends in 7th grade, I took up to reading about WW2 & WW1. I got so deeply involved in reading about them, I memorized how many miles of copper wire that the Manhattan Project used to make the atom bomb! I loved the stuff! And, what really annoyed me, is that after reading about all the major battles and infrastructure of both sides, I still hadn't scrapped the surface of all the information I wanted!

I became so involved, I asked that the librarian (who was one lazy ass bastard, let me tell you!) to order "Mein Kampf". Well, I'm now in 10th grade, and I checked up a few weeks ago on how that book was coming along, and she, apperantly, still hasn't recieved it. Heh, if she isn't allowed to get it, she could at least tell me, rather than keep my hopes up all through 8th grade. lazy bitch, God I hated her! She was awful! Well, now I'm just going off on a tangent, sorry. . . .

[Argonath]

Greetings,

I would be curious to know if anyone can cite any war of any era that had a time table; particularly one that was to be determined by politicians and publically declared? It seems to me that such a time table would have to have been the result of the use of a crystal ball.

- N


I think I mentioned before ,mabye in another thread, that I was mistaken by saying time-table. What I mean is just a plan for when we should withdraw. A primary and secondary objectives list. I have some ideas:

Primary objectives:

1) Confirm whether or not the WMDs exist
2) Kill or capture Saddam (if only Bush had said "we have saved the middle-East, and have stopped Hussien from saddomizing it!")
3) Place a new government in power to help the long-term reconstruction of Iraq
4) Remove any immediate threat to new government

Secondary objectives:

1) Secure U.S. intrests in Iraq (Oil, for example)
2) Secure routes that Osama may use to get into Iraq or other countries
3) Introduce the BBQ to the locals, ensuring peace and prosperity!