You Ignorant Conservative ======

[IHL]

From: Randal F**** [mailto:talm****@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sat 9/4/2004 9:38 PM
To: IHL
Subject: YOU IGNORANT CONSERVATIVE ======!

IHL, you ignorant fool! How can you support a president who was too much of a whiney whimp to go to Vietnam, thats right his daddy got him out of the draft. Bush was a terrible soldier, he was AWOL. He has since led a misguided war in Afghanistan and Iraq, there were no WMD's founf. THe only thing that has come out of this war was the fact that almost a billion innocent people were killed! And almost 200,000 of OUR OWN soldiers were killled. If Bill Clinton can get impeached by making a mistake and cheating on his wife, then Bush should get impeached for this.

Kerry is a much better candidate than Bush. He served bravely and won many medals due to his courage!

Randal, you forgot to mention Halliburton. You got most of it right - First start off with personal attacks. You covered that in your subject line calling me an "ignorant conservative ======". Second, attack Bush with the baseless claim of him being AWOL. But you forgot step three, align Dick Cheney's name with Halliburton. And thanks for pointing out that a billion innocent people have been killed. I didn't realize we've already lost one sixth of the world population in the war in Iraq. And 200,000 or our own troops? You have been listening to the Kerry campaign haven't you? By your logic, you would have voted for the true war hero Bob Dole, instead of Bill Clinton. But logic is obviously not your strong suit. Cling on to your ignorance as long as you can, the truth will scare you to death.

- I thought you might also enjoy reading Randal's reply. This is the liberals mindset folks. Logic and reason have no place in the minds of people like this...

YOU conservative reatrd! YOu say he was impeached for pergery, thats not true, (link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/update121998.htm)) if you can, explain to me what he did that was a crime! Bush only released a couple pages, and Kerry was assigned secret missions, so he probably isn't allowed to release his record! And yes, there has been over 1 billion people dead because of Bush! Right now I would rather live under Saddam! Bush calls him a murdering tyrant?

[Patriot2005]

Maybe poor Randel wasn't potty trained as a youngster. All that hostility and the inability to accept reality for what it is. A strong dose of anger management therapy and a reality check from the real world(not Hollywood)
once in a while should do the trick.

[SlickChunky]

It seems the liberals can only play the name calling game in retaliation. It's too bad they can't come up with facts to back thier claims up, but I suppose that's a good thing.

[Guns R Cool]

1 billion dead? guess that's a step up from the "millions"

[deek]

come to think of it...i did seem to notice that i havent heard from about 1/6 of my family since the war started, and ive only heard from 5/6 of my friends...and i guess i just though 1/6 of my coworkers had been calling in sick for the last year.

im glad this guy pointed out to me that they are dead because of bush...


IDIOT!

[Icer]

this dipshit feels he has to express his opinion on a site that demonstrates hate for his miserable kind. hell, i can say bush was abducted by aliens when he was little, and that would make more sense then the crap this idiot throws at us people who haven't been completely brainwashed by the media. this loser is so naive. if there's one thing you(liberals)don't have it's problem solving skills. i.o.w. handing out condoms at school to " prevent AIDS and other std's." how in the hell is a paper thin latex condom protect from the smallest form of sure death? conservatives aren't trying to prevent std's. we're trying to prevent premarital sex. Why? because we have morals, unlike you conspiracy theorists. always automatically assuming that your opinion is the one that's right. always being afraid someone-or something will be offended. thank god for ann coulter, rush limbaugh, and sean hannity.

[God v2.0]

While I am not as vehement as Icer in his beiliefs, Randel is misguided.

Currently, there are about 1,460 Dead US soldiers 10,770 Wounded.

In total, 1,634 Coalition troops have died (US included)

And about 18,200 Iraqis have died (civilians included).

Now, with some addition, counting wounded as casualties, that is 30,430 people dead from the war in Iraq.

That still leaves a tiny discrepancy in Randells figures, oh, about 999,969,570 people.

What happened to the rest of those bodies? The only two countries with a population close to Randells figures are India and Pakistan.

Last time I checked, we were not at war with eithr of those nations.

I even got my sources from a LIBERAL website. http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/index.php#iraqi

[Icer]

sometimes there is a need to be vehement. this is one of those times.

and randell, if i used your IMBECILIC logic, then i could say that GEORGE BUSH IS SECRETELY PLANNING AN ALIEN INVASION!!!!!!!! that doesn't make it true. i mean, come on. 1 billion people dead? leave your liberal rants to michael moore, at least he knows how to tamper with the truth to the point where people are actually swayed to

he'd rather live with saddam? well its not like we want this douchebag here.
tell saddam i said to go f*ck himself. but wait.... he's in our custody! why is that? because of the horrible war!!!! then again there are people in iraq suffering in saddam's torture chambers! but since we were wrong about the wmd's, "the war is pointless" and "i don't see why we're still there". thats too bad. say, isn't the U.S. media, in they're whole attempt to prove the war is pointless, scolding the U.S. in the process? last time i checked americans stuck together at war, we were all on the same side, we didn't look at our differences.we didn't care about the rights of the terrorists held in Guantanomo bay, we let them rot. we didn't care whether you were black, or white, except in the old days, but hey, america's had it's mistakes too. we don't focus on whether the person made the mistake and scold them for it, we focus on how we can make things right again. and iraq is not one of those wrong things.

[God v2.0]

he'd rather live with saddam? well its not like we want this douchebag here.
tell saddam i said to go f*ck himself. but wait.... he's in our custody! why is that? because of the horrible war!!!! then again there are people in iraq suffering in saddam's torture chambers! but since we were wrong about the wmd's, "the war is pointless" and "i don't see why we're still there". thats too bad. say, isn't the U.S. media, in they're whole attempt to prove the war is pointless, scolding the U.S. in the process? last time i checked americans stuck together at war, we were all on the same side, we didn't look at our differences.we didn't care about the rights of the terrorists held in Guantanomo bay, we let them rot. we didn't care whether you were black, or white, except in the old days, but hey, america's had it's mistakes too. we don't focus on whether the person made the mistake and scold them for it, we focus on how we can make things right again. and iraq is not one of those wrong things.


Sorry, but we didn't really stick together in Vietnam. But we should.

Protesting about war is fine by me, but when you pull a Ted Kennedy and call our troops "part of the problem" is where you cross the line.

[Icer]

I was going to edit that.Crap.

[martha]

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[Wells]

I feel for Randall. I really do. He has the right sentiment. But he needs to consolidate his thoughts and create a clear well backed response instead of just calling people =======. Liberals are for the most part right on alot of issues, but they shoot themselves in the foot so often with this kind of easily defendable crap.

btw, something I never understood... Clinton lies about getting a bj in the oval office, he gets impeached. Bush lies about a fake threat and sends over 1,400 of my fellow americans to die for a justification that I can't seem to find and he gets re-elected? Just a thought.

[teens4bush]

I feel for Randall. I really do. He has the right sentiment. But he needs to consolidate his thoughts and create a clear well backed response instead of just calling people =======. Liberals are for the most part right on alot of issues, but they shoot themselves in the foot so often with this kind of easily defendable crap.

btw, something I never understood... Clinton lies about getting a bj in the oval office, he gets impeached. Bush lies about a fake threat and sends over 1,400 of my fellow americans to die for a justification that I can't seem to find and he gets re-elected? Just a thought.

Clinton commited purjery, Bush did not.

[Wadi66]

Clinton lies about getting a bj in the oval office, he gets impeached. Bush lies about a fake threat and sends over 1,400 of my fellow americans to die for a justification that I can't seem to find and he gets re-elected? Just a thought.A bj is NOT an impeachable offense. Lying to a grand jury is. Think about it. The list of illegal or highly questionable activites conducted by the Clintons both before and after arriving at the White House is long. But their coverup and obstuction of justice was effective. All Starr had to do was set a trap for Clinton, which he did. Clinton stepped in it, Starr sprung it. He should have told the truth, but it was too embarrassing. I understand that, nevertheless, public officials have to be a cut above the average. They have a fiduciary responsibility that must accompany trust. You simply can't trust a liar. Which is why people dont' trust politicans in the first place.

[IHL]

Wells, if you would open your mind to the facts it would be easier for you to understand.

As Wadi points out - Clinton did not get impeached for his actions in the Oval Office. That is the first thing you don't understand. So stop listening to the liberal rhetoric and you'll start on your way to a better understanding. Clinton was impeached for perjury. He lied under oath. What he lied about is irrelevant. The Left can't accept that fact and continuously go back to "well what he did is his business". That's true, until he committed perjury. I get so tired of that ridiculous argument that you just brought up and the ignorance it displays.

Clinton was also held in contempt of court. And, he was also disbarred. Clinton is a horrible man from the standpoint of abusing the office of the president and taking advantage of his subordinates.

And your statement about Bush lying about a fake threat is equally ignorant. He lied about nothing. All you are doing is parroting the liberal talking points and not looking at the facts so it's not hard to understand why you don't understand. Bush may have been mislead by faulty intelligence. That is not lying. To compare the actions of Bush and the actions of Clinton is absurd. The Michael Moore mentality says that if Bush acted on information that may not have been true, then Bush lied. This is also ignorant. Think of it this way - If someone tells you their name is Sam, and you tell someone else his name is Sam but it turns out the guys name is actually Fred - did you lie? Of course not. You acted on information that you believed to be true.

Open your mind a bit and you'll be amazed at what comes in.

[Wells]

Wells, if you would open your mind to the facts it would be easier for you to understand.

And your statement about Bush lying about a fake threat is equally ignorant. He lied about nothing. All you are doing is parroting the liberal talking points and not looking at the facts so it's not hard to understand why you don't understand.

I could say the same for you, please don't refer to my' displaying my views as "parroting" its insulting and unnecessary. Why is it that when the inspectors went in and didn't find anything Bush simply said they were wrong? Why was it when the World said wait, Bush forged on? Richard Clarke himself told of how Bush forced it upon the intelligence community to come up with evidence against Saddam. I do believe that he had Iraq in his sights from the moment he got elected. I deplore the thought that he may have used 9/11 as an excuse to goin there, but it from the facts I have seen I have no reason to believe otherwise.




Open your mind a bit and you'll be amazed at what comes in.

My thoughts exactly.

Truthfully, I have no desire to argue about Clinton. I don't know enough about it to form a true opinion. My issue is with Bush.I shouldn't have dragged Clinton into it.

[Serenity]

HELLLLO?

They do have satellite pictures of the iraqies doing some sinister things before the invasion of iraq. Hmmm maybe moving thier weapons to syria? Saddam Hussien was not stupid, he knew how to manipulate the american people. There was no way he was going to let the president be right about this one when it was too easy to just move the weapons to a nice safe place with thier terrorist friends in syria. Hey you know what read "The Prince" by Machiavelli, now thats a lesson in politics.

[Serenity]

Arent we supposed to find out that Kerry was dishonerably discharged from the military. O and did he know that Kerry's picture is erected in a Korean War Crimes museum. O and his purple hearts, werent they self inflicted wounds. Gee that kerry is a great guy isnt he?

[IHL]

Why was it when the World said wait, Bush forged on? Richard Clarke himself told of how Bush forced it upon the intelligence community to come up with evidence against Saddam

Bush forged on because the "world", (which was the impotent U.N.) had been saying wait for 10 years. The "world" was obviously going to do nothing except send empty warning to Hussein and he knew it. He also knew that he had France and Germany in his back pocket and never expect anyone enforce the rules imposed on him. Bush finally stepped up and said enough is enough. This war was about much more than WMDs but I'm not going to enter that debate here.

Regarding Richard Clarke - he is a documented liar. I don't believe Bush used 9/11 as an excuse at all. He may have used it as a reason - there is a huge difference. I find it pretty damned refreshing to have a president that means what he says and doesn't just throw idle threats at people with no follow up. The U.N. would still be sending warnings to Hussein today if it weren't for Bush and Hussein would still be paying off France and Germany and Russia to the tune of billions of dollars from the oil for food program. The U.N. and the liberals would be all warm and fuzzy about that though, because the program would make them feel better, even though the money intended for the citizens was going into the coffers of Hussein. No one would see that though so no one cared. Hussein would still be paying the families of suicide bombers to go blow up women and children in cafés and the mass graves and rape rooms would still be in operation. No one talks about that however.

So did Bush lie? Of course not. Was the war in Iraq worth it? As much as any war can be - yes. History will prove that. Do France and Germany like us? Hell no. George Bush almost single handedly destroyed the gold mine in the form of the oil for food program that was sending billions of dollars their way.

So the world said to wait. Wait for what?

[rightwingxtremist]

Kerry is a much better candidate than Bush. He served bravely and won many medals due to his courage

Isn't it interesting that within a few short months kerry obtained the requisite number of Purple Hearts to be sent home? With motion picture cameras following him around?

We all know that john kerry is the master of planning, he sure as hell had a PLAN back then!

- Nate

[jackalope_herder]

Wells, if you would open your mind to the facts it would be easier for you to understand.

As Wadi points out - Clinton did not get impeached for his actions in the Oval Office. That is the first thing you don't understand. So stop listening to the liberal rhetoric and you'll start on your way to a better understanding. Clinton was impeached for perjury. He lied under oath. What he lied about is irrelevant. The Left can't accept that fact and continuously go back to "well what he did is his business". That's true, until he committed perjury. I get so tired of that ridiculous argument that you just brought up and the ignorance it displays.

Clinton was also held in contempt of court. And, he was also disbarred. Clinton is a horrible man from the standpoint of abusing the office of the president and taking advantage of his subordinates.

And your statement about Bush lying about a fake threat is equally ignorant. He lied about nothing. All you are doing is parroting the liberal talking points and not looking at the facts so it's not hard to understand why you don't understand. Bush may have been mislead by faulty intelligence. That is not lying. To compare the actions of Bush and the actions of Clinton is absurd. The Michael Moore mentality says that if Bush acted on information that may not have been true, then Bush lied. This is also ignorant. Think of it this way - If someone tells you their name is Sam, and you tell someone else his name is Sam but it turns out the guys name is actually Fred - did you lie? Of course not. You acted on information that you believed to be true.

Open your mind a bit and you'll be amazed at what comes in.

I'd also like to point out that Bush acted on faulty intellegence. He thought it was true, and acted like a responsible president to a threat (waiting for conspiracy theories).

[Sgt.Miroku_Army]

You know, While Saddam is insane and evil, dosen't mean he cannot be intelligent. Maybe not everything told to Bush was true, but if you have everything needed to ASSEMBLE a WMD then you have a WMD. Plain and simple. Besides I guarantee that he would at some point, when he had enough global support, Saddam would have pulled a Hitler. Not Bush. That really pissed me off when Bush was compared to him. Bush isn't always right but come on......

[Icer]

You claim 1/6 of the world's population has been lost because of the Iraq war? The largest number of casualties I could find was 22,851. Even more intriguing is that those statistics come from an extremely left wing site.iraqbodycount.net (http://iraqbodycount.net) So lets get to the mathematical part of your claims. 22,851 multiplied by six is- 137,106. Not even relatively close to the world population. And you thought we were "reatrds"(Yes, that is actually how he spelled it)?

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

More hate speech from a compassionate, open-minded liberal. I also don't think his use of the word 'r_e_t_a_r_d' is appropriate considering he is a liberal.

[rightwingxtremist]

I just want to know why these people won't take us on in the forum. Come on you liberal pansies! Get out here and put up! (Or shut up)

- Nate