Need a poll: Pro-life or pro-choice?

[Dagummit]

Background:
I have been researching and getting really heavily into the rights of the unborn here lately. And with the Miers situation happening, we may see the horrific and morbid ruling of 1973 revisited and possibly over turned. (Roe vs Wade)

My Philosophy:
I don't belive in abortion under any circumstance. NONE! Some pro-lifers will say, what about rape? incest? life of the mother?

Here are my points.
If a women is raped- I can't say anything about doing the rape kits (like literally within hours of the rape) were that rape drug is given where it prohibits the sperm to engage the egg (not abortion!). If the rape victim decides to wait and then changes her mind, too damn late. You are commited after those first hours. Sad but true, I can't be a hypocrite.

Incest- How often does this happen anyways? Like rape, how often? Like one in maybe millions?

Life of mother- With today's technology, this is absurd to even contimplate (sp?) And if the mother does have the possibility in dying, then the mother should be honored to give her life for another innocent one. I am a man, and know I would be! I was in the Army and would have given my life in a heartbeat for a fellow soldier, so where is the real difference? Besides, a mother who sacrifices her life for her unborn baby is the upmost of heros in my book. More so that a war hero!!!

The poll question:
Do you feel abortion is okay? legal? (under the Constitution not Roe v Wade)
There is no "except in the circumstance of..." Bottom line, how many think an unborn baby has the right, the freaking Constitutional and human right to live??? How many will support this if it comes up in court again? I know I will die for the rights of the unborn if it came down to a civil war over the choice. In a heartbeat!

[alwaysRight]

I am glad to see a male with your views. I, like you, am 100% Pro-Life. I also feel that if you are one of those people who say that you are pro-life, but its okay if the mother is in danger, you are not Pro-Life, you are Pro-Choice.

I feel that if I were to get pregnant tomorrow and 3 months from now my doctor said, "If you have this baby, there is a chance that you will lose your life," it would suck, but that's a risk that I am willing to take. Obviously because there is a chance that both of us would be fine.

I look at my little nephew who is 3 months old and he's so beautiful. Then I think that millions of babies just like him have been murdered. It breaks my heart, honestly. How can people do this? These babies had no chance at all and for their deaths, nothing happens. No one is at fault. Abortion is the perfect excuse for getting rid of your responsiblities.

It's sad in these days that we have laws that protect frickin' whales, dolphins, and bald eagles, but we can't have laws that protect the unborn.

[Dagummit]

I am glad to see a male with your views. I, like you, am 100% Pro-Life. I also feel that if you are one of those people who say that you are pro-life, but its okay if the mother is in danger, you are not Pro-Life, you are Pro-Choice.

I feel that if I were to get pregnant tomorrow and 3 months from now my doctor said, "If you have this baby, there is a chance that you will lose your life," it would suck, but that's a risk that I am willing to take. Obviously because there is a chance that both of us would be fine.

I look at my little nephew who is 3 months old and he's so beautiful. Then I think that millions of babies just like him have been murdered. It breaks my heart, honestly. How can people do this? These babies had no chance at all and for their deaths, nothing happens. No one is at fault. Abortion is the perfect excuse for getting rid of your responsiblities.

It's sad in these days that we have laws that protect frickin' whales, dolphins, and bald eagles, but we can't have laws that protect the unborn.

alwaysRight, you are an inspiration to those who are in need of education! I am so against abortion that I...well, let's just leave it at that. Peace be with you! You're awesome!

It is sad when Americans care more about the life of an animal than that of a human. I sickens me to know people feel this way about an unborn's life.

On another note, I have been called a hypocrite for being pro-life and supporting the death penality. I clarify that I support the life of the innocent and the death of the guilty, that is more like it. But these libs would rather save the guilty and murder the innocent. Hows that right? I forgot, that's left!

[Goose]

I feel that if I were to get pregnant tomorrow and 3 months from now my doctor said, "If you have this baby, there is a chance that you will lose your life," it would suck, but that's a risk that I am willing to take.
What if the doctor told you that if the pregnancy continued, you both will die? I'm not a doctor so I really don't know if situations like this even happen anymore. Like Dag said; "With today's technology, this is absurd to even contemplate", but I think this was common in the past.

But as for myself, I'm pro-life (anti-abortion). If a situation like the one I mentioned before happened to my wife; I would want more information and a second opinion.

[Madcowhunter]

There is a difference between anti-abortion and being pro-life. Pro-life is anti-war, anti-death penalty, and anti-abortion.

In my opinion, if a mother's life is in danger, then she should be allowed a choice. Yes, the child is innocent, but a lot more innocent lives could be hurt if the mother dies. That woman could have other children, and those children need her. I don't know what it's like to live without a mother, but I doubt it is a better life. In my eyes, it is wrong for the government to let a woman die and deprive the children of a mother.

[Cobalt]

While this may not be a very popular opinion here, I happen to be more of a pro-choice leaning person. I may be called heartless for this, but I honestly don't consider an unborn child to be a human (Obviously, I mean around the first trimester). After that, I'm completely against abortion no matter what.

[Goose]

So after the first trimester, you would consider an unborn child to be human? What is it that happens at the end of the first trimester that makes you believe the unborn child is now a human?

[Argonath]

I have an akward view, I think. If I were a woman, I would not get it, because, mainly, my religion. Humans are hard to come by, why wast them? But, I tend to leave the decision up to the person's own will. I am not pro-abortion, but I dont want to force people to get back-alley abortions. If we have to suffer abortion on this earth, I would pperfer that it's safe and that at least one of the two would live. I know, I know, it sounds stupid, but I'm ganna have to go with the 'dont want to get to involved' choice. . .

[Dagummit]

There is a difference between anti-abortion and being pro-life. Pro-life is anti-war, anti-death penalty, and anti-abortion.

In my opinion, if a mother's life is in danger, then she should be allowed a choice. Yes, the child is innocent, but a lot more innocent lives could be hurt if the mother dies. That woman could have other children, and those children need her. I don't know what it's like to live without a mother, but I doubt it is a better life. In my eyes, it is wrong for the government to let a woman die and deprive the children of a mother.

No Pro-life doesn't mean anti war and that other crap. Pro-life is the political term for anti-abortion, please don't go confusing terminiologies. It is historical in its context and everyone, without picking straws, knows what it means - anti-abortion.

A lot more lives will be saved??? If the mother is not there to give birth to the other kids, then how is she saving someone who hasn't been conceived yet?

[Dagummit]

While this may not be a very popular opinion here, I happen to be more of a pro-choice leaning person. I may be called heartless for this, but I honestly don't consider an unborn child to be a human (Obviously, I mean around the first trimester). After that, I'm completely against abortion no matter what.

Yeah, you are pretty damn heartless. Where is that "magical" trimester line when the unborn baby gets the priveledge of being human? So at day 90 they are not human, but day 91 they are? Or are you saying that until a baby is out of the womb they are not human? That is the most ridiculous shit I have ever heard! (and I don't cuss that often)

[Dagummit]

... but I dont want to force people to get back-alley abortions. . . .

Frankly, I could care less if a woman dies in a back alley abortion. I say, GOOD! Serves her right!

And also, there are a lot of women who die from complications of non-back alley abortions. That's a good thing too. People don't run around carrying lit sticks of dynamite because they know it is dangerous. The same should go for abortions. It is dangerous, if anything, it is mortal for the child. He/ she is in a lose/ lose situation during an abortion.

Just like I said in another post on this forum. If a women wants to be pro-choice, then she can start by choosing to keep her legs closed!

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

I'm pro-life in the sense that I oppose abortion.

However, considering how so many pervert the pro-life stance to suggest that you should be opposed to the death penatly if you're pro-life, I will say that I'm anti-abortion, pro-death penatly.

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

Frankly, I could care less if a woman dies in a back alley abortion. I say, GOOD! Serves her right!

And also, there are a lot of women who die from complications of non-back alley abortions. That's a good thing too. People don't run around carrying lit sticks of dynamite because they know it is dangerous. The same should go for abortions. It is dangerous, if anything, it is mortal for the child. He/ she is in a lose/ lose situation during an abortion.

Just like I said in another post on this forum. If a women wants to be pro-choice, then she can start by choosing to keep her legs closed!

Have you seen the T-shirts that proclaim proudly that its wearer has had an abortion? It's sickening. It's one thing to have an abortion; it's another entirely to gloat about it.

[Dagummit]

Have you seen the T-shirts that proclaim proudly that its wearer has had an abortion? It's sickening. It's one thing to have an abortion; it's another entirely to gloat about it.


Yes I have and the website that I saw them on (someone sent me the link a while back) had the status as SOLD OUT - on back order! Can you freaking believe that???

Just when I started to feel that maybe I was over the line saying that I didn't care if a women dies during an abortion, I am reminded about how sick the practice is and am brought back to reality!

I am like you too, I am pro-life all the way, but I refer to myself as pro-life on the saving the unborn, not saving criminals. If america spins that term off to make it to mean prevent all deaths (even those who murder and should be executed), then I am definately changing my term stance to anti-abortion.

Save the innocent and hang the guilty! It's sad that libs have the ideoology of murder the innocent and save the guilty. Truly sad.

[Argonath]

Frankly, I could care less if a woman dies in a back alley abortion. I say, GOOD! Serves her right!

Sounds kinda morbid, if you ask me.

[Dagummit]

Sounds kinda morbid, if you ask me.
Yes back alley abortions are morbid. (Oh, you were talking about me comments...)

[alwaysRight]

1.thanks Dag, I appreciate your compliments.

2. Pro-Life doesn't not mean anti-war, anti-death penalty. I am for the death penalty and I am pro-war. I could start a whole thread on that.

3. Before Roe V Wade there were an estimated 100,000 illegal abortions performed. Of those 39 women died. That's only .00039%. So you can't really persuade me to believe that if abortion is made illegal then women will die in back alleys because they really never did.

4. Someone said what if the doctor said both mom and baby would die. That's tough, but as I said before, that is a risk that I am willing to take. I have my beliefs and I will not bend and I will not budge and I will not go against what I have believed in for 11 years.

A baby is the utter essense of innocence and for people to allow this to be disrespected by murdering the innocent shows a lot about people. Just my thoughts though.

[Argonath]

Yes back alley abortions are morbid. (Oh, you were talking about me comments...)


Well, hoping someone dies when you want they're child to live seems kinda, well, confusing. I get what you mean, but, well. . . It's hard to digest. Gives me bad gas. . .

[Dagummit]

Well, hoping someone dies when you want they're child to live seems kinda, well, confusing. I get what you mean, but, well. . . It's hard to digest. Gives me bad gas. . .

to me, its the same as wanting to see a murderer executed. I guess I shouldn't say I hope they die, but I will say that I wouldn't care if they did

[Argonath]

Yeah, that makes more sense to me. *pops a Tums into mouth*. Ah, there it goes!

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

Sounds kinda morbid, if you ask me.

What sounds morbid? Wishing ill-will on a baby killer, or ripping a fetus' head off in the womb and sucking out the rest with a vacuum?

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

See Dag, I'm with you until the "mother should be honored to die for her kid"

Forget about religion for a sec, If we were living without all the technology, loosing a mother, is essentially loosing the ability to procreate. As such that opinon is unnatural at it's base.

(Yes, the whole unnatural arguement)

Given a choice between the life of a mother, and that of a baby, the mother must survive to continue to procreate.

It would be a tough call, a very very tough call, one I wish no one had to make.

You're right that in incidences where the mother's life is in jeopardy are very scarce, but they do occur.

As for rape and incest, well, the way I look at it, the child in the womb did not instigate the rape, why then should it pay the consequences?

If this is about choice, what choice does the child have, seeing as how it will have to bear the brunt of the choice of the mother.

The human organism's most base instinct is survival, thus it is perfectly logical to accept that the child in the womb would want to survive.

[thetruthhurts]

i have to ask this i am not too sure about it. When a women is raped is it standard for the hospital to give her the 72-hour, or day-after pill?? i am not too sure, if anyone knows for sure please fill me in. About my outlook i think abortion is completly wrong, i think if you consider yourself responsible enough to have sex, then you damn well better be responsible enough to take care of a child should you get pregnant. Taking the life of an unborn child (regardless of what trimester you are in) is heartless and wrong

[Dagummit]

See Dag, I'm with you until the "mother should be honored to die for her kid"

Forget about religion for a sec, If we were living without all the technology, loosing a mother, is essentially loosing the ability to procreate. As such that opinon is unnatural at it's base.

(Yes, the whole unnatural arguement)

Given a choice between the life of a mother, and that of a baby, the mother must survive to continue to procreate.

It would be a tough call, a very very tough call, one I wish no one had to make.

You're right that in incidences where the mother's life is in jeopardy are very scarce, but they do occur.

As for rape and incest, well, the way I look at it, the child in the womb did not instigate the rape, why then should it pay the consequences?

If this is about choice, what choice does the child have, seeing as how it will have to bear the brunt of the choice of the mother.

The human organism's most base instinct is survival, thus it is perfectly logical to accept that the child in the womb would want to survive.

A HUGE reason for my stance on the the whole mother's safety thing is that when Roe v Wade (notice I said when and not if) gets over turned, and there were stigma's in there that still protected the life of the mother, etc. Then every liberal doctor would say it was for the life of the mother for the reason to abort. You can't give these sleezy, heartless sons-a-bitches any room to wiggle, for they will find a loophole.

But I understand your stance and respect it too. I once felt the same way, but after researching it and looking at evidence from conservative doctors viewpoints, the possibility of that happening are really like one in 25 million these days. But I assure you if wording like this goes when that dumb ruling is overturned, liberal doctors will turn it into one in 10 women or something ridiculus like that. Plus, it would be just a matter of time before the whole "pychology" of a women were accepted as well.

Also, if the Supreme Court ruled that abortion was illegal except in the cases of saving a womens life, then they would me them (the court) making law instead of interpreting it. What really needs to happen is Congress needs to admend the constitution to protect the unborn. We have enough support for it. THere are more red states than blue!

[Dagummit]

i have to ask this i am not too sure about it. When a women is raped is it standard for the hospital to give her the 72-hour, or day-after pill?? i am not too sure, if anyone knows for sure please fill me in. About my outlook i think abortion is completly wrong, i think if you consider yourself responsible enough to have sex, then you damn well better be responsible enough to take care of a child should you get pregnant. Taking the life of an unborn child (regardless of what trimester you are in) is heartless and wrong

I never been in the sitution (thank the Lord), but I believe that it is offered. I have a sure fire way to prevent rapes. HAVE WOMEN ARM THEMSELVES WITH HANDGUNS, that and execute convicted rapists. My wife for instance has some street in her, she is strong as hell too. It would be hard pressed to over power her, but some little 100 pound women won't stand a chance. But with the assistance of Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson, then she has the upper hand.