Gay children

[Oi_Ve]

I have a question for all the right wingers here; a legitimate question.
If a person who is deeply religious (hell, anyone for that matter) has a child who turns out to be gay, is it right to disown them? How about any other relative? Again, not attacking, trying to understand.

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

I dunno, maybe before disowning I would check to be sure hes REALLY gay, not just being quote "stylish" end quote. But even then, I don't think I'd disown him.

OK chief that has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard you say "Stylish" to be gay OH MAN its so awesome to act gay but not be gay is that a new fad im missing out?

[Android]

I have a question for all the right wingers here; a legitimate question.
If a person who is deeply religious (hell, anyone for that matter) has a child who turns out to be gay, is it right to disown them? How about any other relative? Again, not attacking, trying to understand.
I guess I might fall under the "hell, anyone for that matter" so here it goes.
A friend and I were just talking about this same thing the other day. I was thinking, out of all the horrible shit that can happen to your child out there, is he/she being gay really any big deal? Lets see, they could be a drug addict, a thief, a Murderer or worse a serial killer, or get creamed by a drunk driver or simply abducted and never heard from again. Hmm, when I look at it like that, I honestly could not and would not disown him.
P.S. (He sure as hell better not turn out that way anyway. :icon_mrgr )

[Oi_Ve]

OK chief that has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard you say "Stylish" to be gay OH MAN its so awesome to act gay but not be gay is that a new fad im missing out?

actually.....yes. I think they're called metrosexuals. no really, I'm not sure about the name, but there actually is a style

[Bumblebee]

When I was 4 or 5 years old, I found out by family gossip about an uncle of mine who was gay. This uncle never hid what he was, but my family were very ashamed of him.
Since I was around my uncle and saw and met his lovers, it was no shock to me as a child to meet or see gays. And later meet more gay people or, parents who have gay kids. A friend of mine has a gay son whom I played Barbie doll dress ups with as a kid. (I'm not kidding) The mother once confided in me about her best friend who is very religious, and told her that it's immoral being gay. She was hurt her friend told her that, even though she knew how she was. She feels that it's wrong to say that about gays, no matter what the bible says. She believes that this is what they are, they can't help the way they were born. She told me that it was in the mothers gene, so she goes around with all this guilt. Her son is very miserable being gay. He lives a life away from other gays and has become a hermit. He's only companion is his dog and a couple of female friends. He blames his mother for being born gay. Somehow, I find it difficult to believe that it's in the mothers gene. If it is, won't we all know about it?

What I don't like is how slowly but surely, Hollywood has pushed gays and politics in our movies and TV shows for their real agenda. If you notice, they are always portrayed as the underdog, or kind, understanding, funny and compassionate, while making the hetersexual in a suble way, the bad guy. It's been going on for years. If they took a poll today about gay marriage, I'll bet it will be less against gay marriage then before. Slowly they will get there, and they have come a very long way now.

As to how I feel about gays, I personally feel that once they came out of the closet, they have been in your face. It doesn't matter to me what they do in private, but I don't believe they need to get married.

I think California has equal rights for gays, because I don't hear them pushing for that anymore. (Topiary Lady, do you know?) Now they fight to legalize gay marriage. If they legalize it, the next step will be polygamy, then the right to marry your monkey, etc.

If I had a child that was gay, I believe I would always love him or her, no matter what. I would never disown my own child. I would just wish him happiness in this tough world. But there is something that may contradict me.
I'm pretty sure I would still be against marriage rights for gays. I really do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. By changing that law, it will become valueless. Since I'm not a mother of one, nobody really knows how they would react until it happens to you personally.

Another thing, these gay teachings in school about two mommies or two daddies that is going on is wrong, to my way of thinking. Children out of curiosity, could try experimenting and we don't know how many are already doing that. With all this immorality and drugs going around, I don't doubt it much. It's no secret that most of Hollywood stars do it all the time. It's really been going around Hollywood for generations, and a lot of them are already bragging about it. You don't think that influences the kids?

[Bumblebee]

I have a question for all the right wingers here; a legitimate question.
If a person who is deeply religious (hell, anyone for that matter) has a child who turns out to be gay, is it right to disown them? How about any other relative? Again, not attacking, trying to understand.
I forgot to mention that my relatives, no matter how they felt, never disowned my uncle.

[HOKIEHUNTER]

well, see it's pretty simple. homosexuality is a choice. no one will ever be able to convince me otherwise. If you raise your children right, the will not become homos. simple as that. if you're truely involved in your childs life, really care about what's goin on, and are moer than just a "parental unit," you can keep your kids on the straight path pretty easily. i'm a pretty good example of that. my parents were very involved in my life. I hang out with a pretty crazy bunch of rednecks who all drink and have a little too much fun every now and then. i'm right there beside them the whole time, but b/c of how i was raised i have no desire to drink, vandalize stuff, etc. homosexuality is the same way. if your child grows up knowing its wrong, know you love them no matter what, and you don't give them a reason to rebel, they'll turn out fine.

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

actually.....yes. I think they're called metrosexuals. no really, I'm not sure about the name, but there actually is a style

LMFAO! wow thats crazy im sorry but people who do that should be beat up its one thing being gay but another acting like your gay.

[shotdrops286]

metrosexuals dont act gay they are just aesthitically *sp* gay. They dress in designer clothing and have extremely good hygiene etc. Spend alot of time doing their hair... basically if you care about your appearnce people automatically assume your gay and now they have created a whole new category.

[Android]

metrosexuals dont act gay they are just aesthitically *sp* gay. They dress in designer clothing and have extremely good hygiene etc. Spend alot of time doing their hair... basically if you care about your appearnce people automatically assume your gay and now they have created a whole new category.
I lnow a Metrosexual, he definitley fits your description. The rest of us joke that they should ware the price tags on the OUTSIDE of their clothing. Because that too is big part of it, showing off a little cash. He will brag about how much he spent on a shirt, a watch, or diner, its the only way some of these guys can get laid. Pretty funny. Odd, but funny.

[Wadi66]

I lnow a Metrosexual, he definitley fits your description. The rest of us joke that they should ware the price tags on the OUTSIDE of their clothing. Because that too is big part of it, showing off a little cash. He will brag about how much he spent on a shirt, a watch, or diner, its the only way some of these guys can get laid. Pretty funny. Odd, but funny.Sounds like he's wanting attention. You might suggest that if he didn't pretend to be something he isn't and wouldn't flaunt how much money he spent, he'd have more frineds (just to see if he changed his behavior).

[Android]

Sounds like he's wanting attention. You might suggest that if he didn't pretend to be something he isn't and wouldn't flaunt how much money he spent, he'd have more frineds (just to see if he changed his behavior).
It does not work.

[Wadi66]

It does not work.That's to bad, oh well.....

[Argonath]

I think that no matter what the child is like, the parent will love them. Now, if there's something wrong with the parent. . .well, you get what i mean.

Side note, which will most likely be longer than the actual post, why would someone choose to be gay and in the permanent sense, none of this "Oh, i'm gay! I'm pretending to be different! DUUUUUUUUH",? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Would you want to be persecuted and have marital rights taken away just out of spite? Or called a work of the devil by extremists (no ofense)?Enlighten me, please. why would someone choose to live that form of life-style? It makes little to no sense for me. i'm in the dark here, people!

[FKLBRLS]

First of all, I would do all I could to raise my kids straight. Second, if I found out they were gay, I would sit down and have a talk with them, why are they like this, what happened so that they became this way. If their mind still doesn't change, I would strongly urge them to not have gay sex, to be gay in a not-ass-hurting way. Basically I would be saying, you can't change who you are, but don't let it control your life. You know you're gay, OK we got that out of the way. You won't be marrying any women, ok, that's out of the way too. Go live with one of your male friends but PLEASE don't have gay sex with them. The two of you can share a special bond but PLEASE don't escalate it to sex. You can feel close to that person without drilling them.
After this I would pray and pray for them, and encourage them to accept Jesus, if they have not already. That by accepting Christ, I hope that they would be forgiven for their gayness, for it is something they cannot change. In no way would I disown them. As much as it would tear me up inside every night I would know that he is my son and I love him all the same.

As for your sidenote, Argonath:
Marriage is between a man and a woman. It is a formal bonding between a man and a woman. If two people of the same sex want to get together, it is not marriage, it is something else. Calling formal bonding between gay people marriage just because it's a formal bonding would be like calling both Chevys and KIAs Chevys since they are both cars. If two gay people want to get together and share vows that's fine, but it IS NOT MARRIAGE!!! It is a formal union, civil union, etc. but it is not marriage. Marriage is a formal bonding BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. That is not to say, of course, that marriage is the only form of formal bonding between two people who are in love.

And people don't choose to be gay. Many, many gay men have admitted that they knew they were gay all their life. Some are ashamed of it, don't want to be it, but they are what they are. Saying homosexuality is a choice is like saying low IQ is a choice. People didn't CHOOSE to be less intelligent, they are what they are, some feel ashamed of it and all accept it.

[peacenjustice]

Oi_Ve beat me to it. Yeah, I was talking the metrosexuals. Usually they're the guys who dress in the pink shirts and wear necklaces and talk like girls. You know using the word "like" as many times as posible in a sentence, talking in high voices, talking REALLY fast, etc. And yes, they should get the hell beaten out of them.


wrong...metrosexuals do not all talk in high voices nor act like girls...as the other person said they just dress well and try to look nice...they don't act like girls in the way you're describing all they do is dress nicely

[Argonath]

As for your sidenote, Argonath:
Marriage is between a man and a woman. It is a formal bonding between a man and a woman. If two people of the same sex want to get together, it is not marriage, it is something else. Calling formal bonding between gay people marriage just because it's a formal bonding would be like calling both Chevys and KIAs Chevys since they are both cars. If two gay people want to get together and share vows that's fine, but it IS NOT MARRIAGE!!! It is a formal union, civil union, etc. but it is not marriage. Marriage is a formal bonding BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. That is not to say, of course, that marriage is the only form of formal bonding between two people who are in love.

And people don't choose to be gay. Many, many gay men have admitted that they knew they were gay all their life. Some are ashamed of it, don't want to be it, but they are what they are. Saying homosexuality is a choice is like saying low IQ is a choice. People didn't CHOOSE to be less intelligent, they are what they are, some feel ashamed of it and all accept it.

Well, then, I'll work off of that. Anyway, isn't marriage between two people who love each other? well, supposed to, but when Brittany did the o-face, marriage was as holy as my pinky. Anyway, If marriage is between a man and a woman, then is it moral and correct of these people on the Bachalor, Bachalorette, Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire? after all, they portray a man and a woman, who have little to no love for each other, marrying. Is that very moral? until people who say marriage is sacred, or a speacial event that cant be sullied by that disgusting, well dressed, pig who's gay, then I won't believe that the person is sincere on their stance. I don't mean to say your stupid, or wrong in your beleifs, but until you protest these stupid air-time wasters, I wont take your argument very seriously.

I also said that homosexuality isn't a choice. Go back. mabye I wasn't clear enough. . .

[Argonath]

Hmm, well, so long as you protest these stupid shows, then I'll take your beliefs more to heart. I think the last thing I got confused. I thought you pointed out that it wasn't a choice, so I agreed, now your saying your not. I think I'll go back and read. I heard that the theory for homosexuality being normal is that during a fetuses growth, it filters a certain hormone so that the child knows not to do things to the same sex, but sometimes the fetus fails to drain the right kind of hormone, or not enough of the right one. It sounds far-fetched, but it makes a bit of sense. I'm skeptical, but I prefer to believe that's it not a choice. I mean, taking it up the :icon_bigg volentarily just seems, well, um. . . huh. . . hmmm. . . . ewwww. . . :icon_eek:

[Oi_Ve]

actually science hasn't quite figured out what causes homosexuality. While it is true that some homosexuals choose to live that lifestyle, there actually is a gene, Master Chief, that controls the desire to mate, its in fruit flies, its in us, and pigs, and sheep, and crocodiles and swallows and everything else that reproduces sexually. Like all genes, it has the possibility to become warped. A study was done in which the genes of fruitflies were altered and indeed the altered fly was sexually attracted to a member of the same sex. However, in nature, because such creatures are incapable of spreading their genes the alteration stops at that generation. But genes can be altered, even if it is artificially, to make you want to f*ck the same gender. The exact cause has not been determined, but it can happen.
Also you don't take into account the fact that some gays hate being that way, but they are just as much responsible for their sexual desire for a member of the same sex as you are for your desire for a member of the opposite sex.
If you'd like a link to the study, I'll be happy to provide it and probably a reference to a scientific journal about the experiment.

[alwaysRight]

I myself do not believe that homosexuality is genetic or someone is "born" gay. I feel that homosexuality is very wrong. I feel that marriage is between a man and a woman by law and by my religion. I don't feel that 1-2% of the population should override everyone else. By that I mean, why should the gay population which makes up 1-2% of this country change the way marriage has been looked at for years and years?

I was able this past November in the ballots to vote against it. I am in Ohio and thankfully the law prohibiting gay marriage passed.

Now to the original question about would you disown your child if you found out he/she was gay? I would never do that, because gay or not it is my child and I will always love him/her but I would never approve of their lifestyle and I would try and get them to listen to the Word of God and understand that it's not normal.

I won't get deep into my views about homosexuality b/c I don't want to offend anyone, so that's the only answer I will give. =)

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

Oi_Ve beat me to it. Yeah, I was talking the metrosexuals. Usually they're the guys who dress in the pink shirts and wear necklaces and talk like girls. You know using the word "like" as many times as posible in a sentence, talking in high voices, talking REALLY fast, etc. And yes, they should get the hell beaten out of them.

OH! now that you mention it I have seen alot of thoes douche bags and they hang around girls alot hot ones even.....HMMM maybe I should try it to get in some hot girls pants. :wink:

[Oi_Ve]

fair enough.
And thank you everyone who has and continues to post. I've had some die hard liberals ranting about how conservatives are hate monger and how'd they'd disown their own children if they were gay. perhaps a link to this thread will open their eyes

[All American Kid]

actually science hasn't quite figured out what causes homosexuality. While it is true that some homosexuals choose to live that lifestyle, there actually is a gene,

Masters and Johnson tends to disregard that thoery and show evidence that exposure to sexual content at a young age (before twelve) tends to be a factor among homosexuals.

If my son was gay it'll be hard for me but that's his choice. I try to raise him with a sense of idenity and if that is what he wants well I can't stop him (after 18 and that would of course go for all sexual contact)

You know I'll even one up it and tend to believe that the standard for adoption should be up to the local agencies. I would imagine that a secure home with two females or males would be better than a foster home that has a revolving front door.

[Argonath]

It is. My brother's friend (I think I've said this story before) Has two lesbian mothers. He's currently in collage, private collage, and was an honor student in high school. His parents are great. I would expect almost the same results from staright families to gay families. He is also straighter than. . . well. . . He's straight is the main point. You're probably right, though. Exposing a child to something unusual like gay parents would no doubt have at least a small impact on the child's sexual psychological developement. It might be good, in that the child knows that he has nothing to fear about different people (asuming he/she is straight), and it might be bad, because the child would think he/she's a freak of nature, or he/she'd be ashamed of his/her parents because they're different. Families will always have certain probloms on either sexual side or orientation. Hmm. . . . I smell a sitcom! CHA-CHING!

[Oi_Ve]

Masters and Johnson tends to disregard that thoery and show evidence that exposure to sexual content at a young age (before twelve) tends to be a factor among homosexuals.


Perhaps you were hinting at this and perhaps not, but I'll clarify.

While the Masters and Johnson experiments show that it could be caused by actions in early age, the reason as to WHY these factors matter is undetermined. Again, there probably is not one set reason why people become gay.
Also, when I meant 'that there is a gene' I was saying that there is a gene that control sexual desire, which we've known for sometime now. Because this gene can be altered, even if it is artificially, it proves that genes can make you gay, even if it is artificial. I was just repsonding to MC's comment about there being no gene