NFA / Class III weapons questions

[Mr. Glass]

First off, does anyone here have a class III weapon, if so, can I pick your brain in PM or something?

Second, does anyone here object to civilians owning a class III weapon (automatics, silenced, short barrel rifles, etc) ? If so, why?

Third, any suggestions? So far I've only shot an Uzi and a Custom .50 Whisper, neither of them really appealed to me tho.

-Doug

[Madcowhunter]

I think class III weapons should require a seperate license, but I don't object. As long as the civillian has firearm expirience, passed proper self-defense and safety classes, and passed a background check. I don't mind. I think the age to own one should be 21+ or higher. And should take classes in specific class III weapons to get the license.

So I'm for it, but the bar to get one should be raised.

The reason I support the use in these firearms, is in case the time where a malitia is necassary, or if our government is no longer in tact, and the freedoms of the people are jeapordized, in which case it is up to the people to fight back.


But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. From the Declaration of Independence.

[Android]

First question: no, I don't have a license.

Second Question: You know that I have no problem what so ever with acquiring fully automatic weapons. Better be a harder license to get though. Should have a clean record, Classes and tests. Like we always state; a Silvarado is far more dangerous than an AK or AR.

[Madcowhunter]

Automatic weapons vary in types, some are completely different than others. Rather than getting a Class III weapons license, you should be licensed in a specific weapon.

[14edsullivan]

Quite frankly im sick of all this liscensing, what makes people think we can liscense away RIGHTS. A arm is arm, they are ALL protected by the second ammendment. The Firearms act of 1934 did NOTHING to ban full autos sliencers SBR's destructivie devices, they just taxed the hell outta them and gave the ATF full reign over people that own those weapons. A 200 dollar stamp is GARBAGE and that you have to be fingerprinted and documented and have a massive background check and have an LEO sign off is GARBAGE, If want to buy a full auto SBR M4 ishould be able to, not have to go through an evourmous amount of red tape, its so arbitrary. All that red tape is why a full auto M4 is 16,000$ SIXTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, and a ak full auto is just as expensive, then add the 200 dollar stamp, a Form 1 that must be triplicated, a LEO to sign off and then the ATF must approve, and then after that poin you must be able to produce that weapon for the ATF at ANY time or your in some DEEP shit. The Short Barrelled Rifle tax is so stupid I can't even contemplate it, a shorter barrell somehow makles it more dangerous, what garbage, and i have to go through the same damn hoops to get one approved or else I have to face some big jail time. God Help us if the shit ever does hit the fan like an invasion from China cause god knows and the chinese know we arent ready. The swiss have the right idea, REAL assault weapons to the citizens and a population that wont call man with a gun in when you have one on your hip. While the terriosts are training them selves with full auto AK-47's we are trying to find which law we are breaking by buying that new M4 with its balls cut off. Jeez, what has happened here.

As far as CIII weapons go there is no "liscense" or anything its a transfer tax, theres no training classes or any garbage like that, its just a tax directly on the gun. IF you live in the right area they aren't horridly difficult to get, if you live in major city or within 20 miles of one, forget about it. Talk to your local LEO head honcho if you can to even see if they will sign off on it. As far as rifles go, i hope your aware of the extreme cost of these firearms and the ammo you will no doubtly go through. But if you got 10-20 thou in money burining a hole in ur mattress, go ahead they are sweet, very sweet. Personally im a big AK/M4/MP5/G36 assault weapon kinda guy, some people are into the machine guns, but .50BMG at almost a dollar a round aint to appealing, ammo cost is something to figure in, and parts avaibilty. Later on ill get some links for some good reading for you, and of course happy shooting.
Ed

[Liberty]

I too support any type of guns, Also I think there is a reason why the 2nd amendment is in the BILL OF RIGHTS. You don't not need any type of license to buy them or to own them.

Registration ( Or licensing ) Leads to confiscation!
I am in support of ANY and ALL guns, so long as there are different levels of licenses for each type, kinda like drivers licenses:

Temps
Probationary
Normal
Commercial

Translated to something like:

Low Calliber Pistol (Under .25)
High Calliber Pistol (Over .25)
Shotgun
Semi-Auto
Full-Auto

[Android]

Quite frankly im sick of all this liscensing, what makes people think we can liscense away RIGHTS. A arm is arm, they are ALL protected by the second ammendment. The Firearms act of 1934 did NOTHING to ban full autos sliencers SBR's destructivie devices, they just taxed the hell outta them and gave the ATF full reign over people that own those weapons.
Ed
Point taken, youre right. Just wish we could keep them out of the hands of some of the scum I have ran into.

[Liberty]

Point taken, youre right. Just wish we could keep them out of the hands of some of the scum I have ran into.




Yeah,

But you have to take the bad with the good. Here is a great quote from Thomas Jefferson:


I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. — THOMAS JEFFERSON (1791)

[HOKIEHUNTER]

yeah but do you think joe scumbag would be as reckless robbing people, etc. if 90% of the eyewitnesses were packin heat and allowed to use it? pick-pockets would be scaerd to death of, well, death.

Driving is a privilige in the US, not a right. Bearing arms is most definetly a right. explain to me why on the 360th day of being 20 I was not mature enough to own a handgun, but a week later it was ok. what magically happend in that week that made it ok for me to own a handgun? nothing at all. a simple state police background check (about 5 mins over the phone) should be the only restriction on firearms ownership. if you've got history, no gun for you... if you don't, the more the merrier. look at it this way, most 16 year olds save all there money for thier car /gf, etc. and most likely aren't gonna be able to fork over several hundred dollars for a handgun / rifle. even if they could buy one, they probably couldn't afford to buy much ammo for it. so by the nature of maturing, most people probabl ywouldn't be able to afford to buy a gun until around 18 or older.

i don't own a class III b/c i'm still in college, but i have shot a thompson, an AK with the switch, and an M4.... SWEETNESS!!! terrible hurtin on the wallet though... when you can empty a fulll clip that fast, you tend to do it a lot... one trip can be pretty expensive.

as a side note, about a 4 foot tall pink panther fell victim to my .357 mag and a friends AK the other day... poor bastard didn't stand a chance... there's a special season on pink panthers in VA, so we took full advantage...

[14edsullivan]

I am in support of ANY and ALL guns, so long as there are different levels of licenses for each type, kinda like drivers licenses:

Temps
Probationary
Normal
Commercial

Translated to something like:

Low Calliber Pistol (Under .25)
High Calliber Pistol (Over .25)
Shotgun
Semi-Auto
Full-Auto

BULLSHIT, YOU CAN'T LISCENSE A RIGHT!!!!!!!!!! at that point it CEASES to be a RIGHT. and as liberty said, registration leads to confiscation. liscense area sure fire way to get your guns TAKEN away.



look at it this way, most 16 year olds save all there money for thier car /gf, etc. and most likely aren't gonna be able to fork over several hundred dollars for a handgun / rifle. even if they could buy one, they probably couldn't afford to buy much ammo for it. so by the nature of maturing, most people probabl ywouldn't be able to afford to buy a gun until around 18 or older.

I call BS on that, me, a just turned 16 year old, owns a remington 11-87 SPS a romanion AK a ruger .22 rifle, a norinco .22 rifle, and still have cash for the 500 dollar beater I drive, parents give kids guns too. The AK and the 11-87 i bought with all my own saved money. 1000 7.62x39 rounds is about 110 right now, and 200 shotshells in hovering at 30, so ya...



Well I like lisencing of guns imply because I don't think, judging from the average joe I run into every day, that everyone in america is able to own a weapon, exspecially a full-auto rifle.

Thats some reallll good reasoning there bud, now the government should have COMPLETE discretion over whom can and can't EXCERSIZE A RIGHT. How about we have "speech liscenses" next, and you must pass a test and saftey course in order to speak freely, a liscense to call your local government official, though we ae well on our way to that, but look for a second at what your advocating.

Ed

[HOKIEHUNTER]

I call BS on that, me, a just turned 16 year old, owns a remington 11-87 SPS a romanion AK a ruger .22 rifle, a norinco .22 rifle, and still have cash for the 500 dollar beater I drive, parents give kids guns too. The AK and the 11-87 i bought with all my own saved money. 1000 7.62x39 rounds is about 110 right now, and 200 shotshells in hovering at 30, so ya...

more power to you and congradualtions on some nice choices. i'm not saying that no 16 year old would be able to buy i'm just saying a vast majority of them wouldn't. shoot i'd encourage my kids (when i have them) to start shootin and owning guns as early as possible. but unless you're of the hardcore shooting mindset many, many minors "borrow" their parents weapons rather than purchase their own. i know i take extra pride in my gun ownership, but to a teenager who wants more than a beater (which most do, once again i'm not condemning you) car, i just have a feelin that a new eclipse, etc. would take presidence over an AK with "THE SWITCH."

haha i know when i was 16 every freakin cent i made went to my g/f at the time (she lived about 30 miles away and i saw her everyday for 2 years) so i wouldn't have had the money for anything. but i turned 18, got a really good paying engineering internship and in the past 2 years i've bought 10 guns.... and am always anxious to add to my collection...

but anyways i thik you might have missed what i was saying. I said that i DO NOT think there should be an age limit, and if you're dedicated enough to learn about shooting and save up a little extra $$$ now and then to support you habit, the gov't should not have a say in whether or not you're allowed to indulge.

p.s. just bought a 30-06 rifle barrel for my TC Encore an da Ruger GP100 with a 6" barrel... i'm gonna be puttin meat in the freezer here pretty soon... mmmm bambi stew....

[Android]

Yeah,

But you have to take the bad with the good. Here is a great quote from Thomas Jefferson:


I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. — THOMAS JEFFERSON (1791)

Trust me, I realize that.




yeah but do you think joe scumbag would be as reckless robbing people, etc. if 90% of the eyewitnesses were packin heat and allowed to use it? pick-pockets would be scaerd to death of, well, death.

Driving is a privilige in the US, not a right. Bearing arms is most definetly a right. explain to me why on the 360th day of being 20 I was not mature enough to own a handgun, but a week later it was ok. what magically happend in that week that made it ok for me to own a handgun? nothing at all. a simple state police background check (about 5 mins over the phone) should be the only restriction on firearms ownership. if you've got history, no gun for you... if you don't, the more the merrier. look at it this way, most 16 year olds save all there money for thier car /gf, etc. and most likely aren't gonna be able to fork over several hundred dollars for a handgun / rifle. even if they could buy one, they probably couldn't afford to buy much ammo for it. so by the nature of maturing, most people probabl ywouldn't be able to afford to buy a gun until around 18 or older.

I also know that too. It is shown that in states that pass carry laws, violent crime decreases almost instantly. But I'm preach'n to the choir. Besides, I only said that I wish I could keep them out of the hands of some of the scum I have meet. Nothing more than that.



i don't own a class III b/c i'm still in college, but i have shot a thompson, an AK with the switch, and an M4.... SWEETNESS!!! terrible hurtin on the wallet though... when you can empty a fulll clip that fast, you tend to do it a lot... one trip can be pretty expensive.

Our AK's dont have the switch, dont think I want it either, been spending waaaaaaay to much on ammo for them as it is. Fun though. Hell, just bump firing you can blaze through boxes of ammo. One thing I like is that the Magazines for AK's are cheap. I have been paying $10.00 per 30 round mag, no problems with them either.