What is going to happen to Sen. Mary Landrieu?

[Dagummit]

I just read, although it happened a couple of days ago, that Sen. Mary Landrieu (LA) threatened to punch Pres. Bush. That is a felony!

Where are all the libs calling for the impeachment of her?
Why isn't the secret service throwing her ass in jail about right now? Anyone heard any updates on this?

Here is her quote from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477043/posts:


"If one person criticizes [our sheriffs], or says one more thing, including the president of the United States, he will hear from me - one more word about it after this show airs and I - I might likely have to punch him - literally," Landrieu railed on "ABC's "This Week."

[Argonath]

One thing you failed to notice is that Clinton got hundreds of threats much worse than that one. Presidents get a lot of threat mail, and statements, and they're pretty much just chaulked up into the wind. The somewhat sad thing is that it's a listed right. Freedom of speech and expresion, unless it harms someone else. Saying she'll punch Bush isn't the same as the actual act. If she did, however, she'd be in Gitmo, no time flat!

* note, I'm note meaning to defender her, hell, i don't even know who she is! But, it's true, all, and i do mean ALL, presidents get threatening messages from just about anyone. It doesn't matter the person's political standing, it's been done before.

[Wadi66]

Well her credibility in the Senate just dropped a notch or two. When dealing with the press, Senators and Representatives (and even the President) are expected to show each other respect even though they may adamantly disagree with the other side or whats going on. Look at the rantings of Kennedy. Instead of being viewed as a seasoned lawmaker, he's now viewed as alcoholic lunitic. Strong wording is common place in the halls of Congress, outside the chambers tempers flare. But the moment they stand in front of camras, they are expected to couch their words. Aside of showing each other respect, they need to remember it could come back to bite them. If ever Kennedy has an important piece of legislation he wants passed, he'll have to do one of two things. Have someone else offer up the legislaiton or rely on the good graces of those he has offended. The last one works only so long.

Now in the case of the Senator from LA I don't think she was intentionally earmarking the President for a literal punch as much as she was speaking in generalities. I could be wrong, although it would be my bet that if she were called on this, that would be her explanation. Note to President: please forgive me Mr. President, I wasn't thinking clearly. Some of her colleges will chide her, she may receive a sharp rebuke from the Minority Leader. She best not slip up again.

What I have described is a long standing tradition. Its the violation of this tradition by some that has the media jumping all over themselves and the other side in such an uproar when the violation occurs. Words they have against each other are suppose to remain private. The public bickering weakens the institution and leads to a lack of confidence amongst Americans. From the perspective of a political anaylist I look at the conduct and think "hmmmm, something is going on. These people know better. They know its wrong, they're doing it why?"

[Cullinan]

Like everything else negative that spews from a liberals mouth, it will fall on deaf ears. She needs to learn how Emergenices work, It is the mayors, Gov'er, Repressentives and Senators who are responsible for for their state, not the president, not the federal groups but the people who run the state are in charge of it when something like this happens, I am sorry, that the liberals have to play the blame game for their own faults

[Oi_Ve]

Now in the case of the Senator from LA I don't think she was intentionally earmarking the President for a literal punch as much as she was speaking in generalities. I could be wrong, although it would be my bet that if she were called on this, that would be her explanation.

I agree. She didn't actually threaten the president, or anyone in particular for that matter. She didn't say 'I'm going to punch G.W. Bush', she said 'I might just punch them out, even if it was the president'.

Indeed politicians should show respect towards one another while in the public eye, yet I don't see any clear indication that any disrespect was intended or even suggested. She didn't demean or threaten the president or anyone else, but was more or less venting. Politicians are human too, and while they can and should be held to certain standards we cannot expect them to go through emotional times like these without some emotion being shown.

One of the arguements of anti-Bush fanatics is that he's stupid because of his famous Bushisms and lapsus lingui. However, if you ask me these mistakes don't make the man any less intelligent, they make him human.

"If one is so deceitful that they would hide their every flaw, imagine what else they would keep from the eyes of the Roman people. Fear he who has no faults."
-Cicero

[Wadi66]

"If one is so deceitful that they would hide their every flaw, imagine what else they would keep from the eyes of the Roman people. Fear he who has no faults."
-CiceroThis is something people should be reminded of over and over and over.

[Madcowhunter]

I personally don't care what the politicians say to eachother. What I do care about is the response from the liberals.

Video is captured Bush giving the media the finger: Liberals, now outraged, create a blog stating that Bush has no respect for the office.

Richard Cheney says a sware: Liberals do the same for Mr. Cheney, and little girl at DNC comments on how he should get a "time out."

Arnold refers to lawyers as "girlie-men": Liberals refer to him as "homophobic" and threaten a lawsuit.

Now...
-Sen. Mary Landrieu, threatens to punch Mr. Bush.
-Mr. Clinton shows his repsect for office by having an affair in the White House, and what happened? Liberals liked him more.
-Mr. Dean reffers to Zerbras having spots.
-Mr. Kerry is revealed as a ultra-liberal who attempted to befriend his former comrades after accussing them of herrendous war crimes.

Edit: I noticed something, it appears to me that all politicians are dragging some sort of dirt from their past. Everyone has skeletons in their closet, but liberals will only pinpoint the skeletons of enemies.

Example: I'd say a year ago, shortly after the RNC, I visited DU. They have a thing called "Top Ten Conservative Idiots," which takes the ten most currently hated conservatives. At the time, Democratic Senator Zell Miller was on the list. And what did they have on him? DIRT! It's amazing, Zell Miller was ignored by liberals because he's a Democrat, but after his speech they suddenly manage to track out plenty of dirt on him... If they could do this to him, they could do it to anyone.

Now here's the difference between Liberals and Conservatives. Liberals will never bash their own kind, if they a liberal politician does something disagreeable, the liberal view will have changed. But, most conservatives I have heard and met, will always lash at something they don't agree with. Talk radio pin points mistakes from Bush all the time, I have heard Republicans express their dissapointment with various Republicans on this site all the time. Liberals, do NOT have an open mind.

[Argonath]

And conservatives are fair enough to bash their own? Clinton goes to Kosovo, for the reason of looking for terrorists, if i'm not mistaken. Conservatives hate him. Bush does the same thing, and conservatives love him. We had an economic surplus of about four trillion dollars, then Bush got in and, three years later, we were in debt of just as much! Clinton got a BJ while in office, whopa-dee-do. If that's the whole basis behind Clinton's "failure" as president is him getting blowed, then we should really examen what bush did to get his "blow". You do know he had a cocaine habit, right.

[Cullinan]

And conservatives are fair enough to bash their own? Clinton goes to Kosovo, for the reason of looking for terrorists, if i'm not mistaken. Conservatives hate him.
Clinton made a deal w/ the Muslims to bomb the Christians, that was the whole Kosovo deal then we gave the Muslims money, then they turn around and hand it to OBL

[Wadi66]

Clinton goes to Kosovo, for the reason of looking for terrorists, if i'm not mistaken.You are mistaken

We had an economic surplus of about four trillion dollars, then Bush got in and, three years later, we were in debt of just as much!Well duh. Argonath what happened in those three years?

If that's the whole basis behind Clinton's "failure" as presidentThere were a lot of problems with Clinton's Presidency. When I have more time I'll start listing them. But I trust others who have more time right now can start filling in the blanks.

[Cullinan]

. If that's the whole basis behind Clinton's "failure" as president is him getting blowed


Man you need to study up on this, Clinton would go down as the worst president of all time...Here is a list,
- Raise taxes eight years in a row
- Cut the military funding
- Give more money to welfare
- introducing us to Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broaddrick

- showing us that sexual harassment in the work place (especially the White House) and on the job is OK, and all you have to know is what the meaning of "is" is. It really is great to know that certain sexual acts are not sex, and one person may have sex while the other one involved does NOT have sex.

-Reintroducing the concept of impeachment to a new generation and demonstrating that the ridiculous plot of the movie "Wag the Dog" could be plausible after all.

-Making Jimmy Carter look competent, Gerald Ford look graceful, Richard Nixon look honest, Lyndon Johnson look truthful, and John Kennedy look moral.

- The 73 House and Senate witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment and 17 witnesses who have fled the country to avoid testifying about Democratic campaign fund raising.


-19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonments from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32 criminal convictions (so far) in the other "Clinton" scandals.


- Reducing our military by half, "gutting" much of our foreign policy, and flying all over the world on "vacations" carefully disguised as necessary trips.


-For "finding" millions of dollars - I really didn't need it in the first place, and I can't think of a more well deserving group of recipients for my hard-earned dollars than jet fuel for all of your globe-trotting. I understand you, the family and your cronies have logged in more time aboard Air Force One than any other administration

-Now that you've left the White House, thanks for the 140 pardons of convicted felons and indicted felons-in-exile. We will love to have them rejoin society.


-For removing the White House silverware. I'm sure that Laura Bush didn't like the pattern anyway. Also, enjoy the housewarming gifts you've received from your "friends."

You and your staff in the West Wing of the White House for vandalizing and destroying government property on the way out. I also appreciate removing all of that excess weight (China, silverware, linen, towels, ash trays, soap, pens, magnetic compass, flight manuals, etc.) out of Air Force 1. The weight savings means burning less fuel, thus less tax dollars spent on jet fuel. Thank you!

And finally, please ensure that Hillary enjoys the $8 million dollar payoff for her "tell-all" book and you, Bill, the $10 million advance for your memoirs. Who says crime doesn't pay!


AND MOST IMPORTANT THANK YOU FOR GETTING US IN OPEC. When you go to get gas, don't blame Bush or the oil companies THANK CLINTON, OPEC is the one who prices the gas, no one in America, no president, no companies, price gas OPEC does and thank Clinton for getting us in OPEC until'09.

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[Madcowhunter]

And conservatives are fair enough to bash their own? Clinton goes to Kosovo, for the reason of looking for terrorists, if i'm not mistaken. Conservatives hate him. Bush does the same thing, and conservatives love him. We had an economic surplus of about four trillion dollars, then Bush got in and, three years later, we were in debt of just as much! Clinton got a BJ while in office, whopa-dee-do. If that's the whole basis behind Clinton's "failure" as president is him getting blowed, then we should really examen what bush did to get his "blow". You do know he had a cocaine habit, right.

Good job on missing on the point of my post, maybe you should read it all...

It wasn't about Clinton being a horrible president, I have never anywhere ont his forum commented on his presidency, I was too young during his presidency to know any details.

You went completely off track from my post, I was listing the reactions of liberals when politicians do something "bad." Such as how Bush flips off the media, they all flip out and say "he has no respect for the office" when their own party are doing things just as bad, such as getting blown by someone other than your wife in office.

I wasn't judging them on their actions, I was judging liberals on how they respond to those actions. I don't really care about a politicians past unless it's political. For example, Bush may have had an alcohol and drug problem when he was young, but I don't really care as long as it is water under the bridge. Why? Because it has nothing to do with politics, and I know there are several people on this forum who had used drugs or continue to use drugs, I don't care... So why should I care what Bush did when he was young?

[Argonath]

I am going to respond to all these posts, but i have spanish tutering for the next hour, and then karate. Don't expect a reply untill after ten, or tommorow.

[Cullinan]

It looks like Sen. Mary Landrieu, Gov. Blanco, and the Mayor of N.O didn't want the red cross to set up at the Superdome on Cenvention center aheld of time becasue
bringing supplied to the Superdome would encourage more people to go thereApparently, the Red Cross could have made it to the Superdome just hours after the storm passed if the state had let them proceed.

[Argonath]

Clinton made a deal w/ the Muslims to bomb the Christians, that was the whole Kosovo deal then we gave the Muslims money, then they turn around and hand it to OBL

First response: You know, conspiracy theories don't count as complete fact. upon further inspection of Kosovo's problems, I found out that it was a bombing campaign on the genocidal maniacs from Croatia, I believe, who were trying to ethnicaly cleanse Serbia. The fact that most Serbs are Muslim has little to do with it. To bomb the Christians? Wow, where can I find a drug that good? We gave them money? To repair the damaged and war-torn country of Croatia and Serbia, mabye. The fact that they used it to fund OBL (Osama Bin Laden, i assume) was completly on their part. Granted, we gave them the money, but what they did with it was their business. Did you know that the U.S. didn't lose A SINGLE SOLDIER !?!? I don't know about the rest of the NATO countries that helped, unfortunatley. Has there ever been any war-like campaign, bombing or no, that didn't lose anybody? Where did you get it into your head that Clinton made a pact with the Muslims to bomb Christians? That doesn't even make sense! Why would he WANT them bombed?!

Admitedly, I view that Clinton's bombing of Kosovo was a bit rash. This news article (Circa April 27, 2000) agrees:

Many people can take credit for the fall of Yugoslavian dictator Slobodan Milosevic: Vojislav Kostunica for uniting the Serbian opposition, the Serbian people for rising up against Milosevic, George Bush for starting the policy of containment and sanctions against Milosevic in the early 1990s, Bill Clinton for expanding that policy and standing up to Milosevic in Bosnia and Kosovo, and NATO for holding firm against the Serbian leader despite his many attempts to divide the alliance.

But there is a danger that U.S. policymakers may draw the wrong lessons in the middle of all this self-congratulation. To be sure, the policy of containment against Yugoslavia has been vindicated. Serbs finally came to realize that normalcy was not possible in their lives so long as Milosevic was at the helm. Moreover, with Russia weak and thus unable and unwilling to save Milosevic, Yugoslavia's isolation from its European neighbors and the rest of the world proved to be a burden that could not be forever sustained on a continent that knows so much prosperity and democracy.

It would be wrong, however, to conclude that Milosevic's fall vindicates everything the United States and NATO did with respect to the Balkans. Indeed, it may be that mistakes made by NATO and the Clinton Administration unwittingly prolonged Milosevic's stay in power. And it may be that the intervention by NATO in Kosovo was unnecessary and thus has lessened the prospects for peace and democracy in that war-torn region.

Before too many celebration toasts are made, Western policymakers should pause and reflect on what they should have done differently, not only to avoid future mistakes, but also to understand what needs to be done now to build peace and democracy in the Balkans.


Well, don't wanna melt-down the server on one post, so I'll leave as is and hope for the best.

[Bumblebee]

Madcowhunter, I saw the video where Bush flips the finger. First off, President Bush was playing around with the camera people, and didn't know the camera was running. Bush is known for his sense of humor.

Dick Cheney did not say those words to the public. He said it to one senator.

[Cullinan]

That is the funniest thing I read in years but back to N.O


By 1998, Louisiana’s (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200509\NAT2005 0907a.html) state government had a $2 billion construction budget, but less than one tenth of one percent of that — $1.98 million — was dedicated to levee improvements in the New Orleans area. State appropriators were able to find $22 million that year to renovate a new home for the Louisiana Supreme Court and $35 million for one phase of an expansion to the New Orleans convention center.

Interesting, blaming Bush taking away money, but it looks like the residents can't face to blame themselves

[Cullinan]

First response: You know, conspiracy theories don't count as complete fact. upon further inspection of Kosovo's problems, I found out that it was a bombing campaign on the genocidal maniacs from Croatia, \.

First off, I stated facts, The Muslims were playing jihad with the christians. The Muslims acted like they were the victims, and Clinton get's all happy just like in '96 & '97 when he would not take OBL in from the Sudan because "he was peaceful and means no harm to anyone." Yes we lost soldiers, we lost around 60-70 and we still have M.I.A's in the area because they (Muslims and Christins) were shooting at us and we still can't find the planes that went missing.

[Madcowhunter]

Madcowhunter, I saw the video where Bush flips the finger. First off, President Bush was playing around with the camera people, and didn't know the camera was running. Bush is known for his sense of humor.

Dick Cheney did not say those words to the public. He said it to one senator.

I wasn't talking about THAT video, the one I'm thinking about doesn't even look like a flip.

[Bumblebee]

I wasn't talking about THAT video, the one I'm thinking about doesn't even look like a flip.
Which one are you talking about? I didn't know there were two of them.

[Madcowhunter]

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002261.html#002261


Actually, now that I look at it again. It does look like he's flipping off the media.

[Bumblebee]

I clicked on the picture like it says, but nothing comes up. Can anyone else get it?

[Madcowhunter]

See if this works, it's a direct link to the video:
http://homepage.mac.com/onegoodmove/movies/bushflips.mov

[Argonath]

First off, I stated facts, The Muslims were playing jihad with the christians. The Muslims acted like they were the victims, and Clinton get's all happy just like in '96 & '97 when he would not take OBL in from the Sudan because "he was peaceful and means no harm to anyone." Yes we lost soldiers, we lost around 60-70 and we still have M.I.A's in the area because they (Muslims and Christins) were shooting at us and we still can't find the planes that went missing.

Sorry, my replies to things will be more speradic as school started today. anyway, Muslims Jihading Christians is not news, it's been happening for about 1000 years. And, considering that Serbia was mosty a Muslim state, of course they're going to act the victim, more of them died. It wasn't Muslim on Christian, it was Croatia on Kosovo. Croatia had extrimists who had been ethnicaly cleansing Kosovo until Clinton and the NATO countries started the bombing campaign in order to stop them. and they did, pure and simple. And, why would he be happy to not take in Osama Bin Laden? About a decade ago, from that point in time, Osama was a hero because he killed tons of occupying soldiers in Afganistan, namely communists. Soviets, to be precise. I don't know what our own intel. on him was back then [1996, 97], but he wasn't wanted during Bush Sr.'s time, only two-three years ago. sounds long, but I don't think he was wanted back then. Sixty to seventy? Is that U.S. loss, or total loss? If U.S., as ad as any death is, it's significantly less than many other wars. There were more deaths (in friendly and enemy fire) during the first Gulf War. Not many, but about thirty more, if I remember correctly. And how many M.I.A.'s? Do you know how many, or it's just undetermined as of yet? And, was there significance to the planes. I don't know on that one. Anyway, if you get this soon, don't expect much until tommorow.

[Oi_Ve]

I have to agree with Argo on his last comment. A group of Muslim people (who had not been linked to terrorist acts against the US...in fact to any nation I believe) were being tortured, murdered, and all the while the acts were given the title 'ethnic clensing' to hide what it really was; genocide. That conflict was fought to protect innocent people from a twisted psychopath by the name of Slobodan who justified their deaths by claiming that it would bring stability to his nation.
Regardless of what you say, regardless of what Bin Laden and his posse did to America, genocide of any people is wrong.
Islam is not our enemy; radical islam is. Islam does not teach hate; radical islam teaches nothing but. Jihad does not mean holy war. it means inner struggle, the war within islam itself to find the correct successor to Muhammud. Radical islam has twisted the word to mean war against all who don't think like them. Islam is not anti-christian, but in fact references characters from the Bible such the Arch Angel Gabriel (not the arch angel as in fallen angel, but the level of angel above regular angel, usually seen wearing some sort of armor)
However Argo you were mistaken with the 4 trillion dollar surplus. There was surplus. It was a projected surplus, which means economists estimated it would be that much, but the economists also did their estimates several weeks ahead of schedule to hide the fact that the economy was slowing down and that the surplus would not come through.