ACLU, Anti Christ & Pro NAMBLA

[Oi_Ve]

I think they wouldn't be quite as hostile towards you if you didn't call them all ignorant in regards to the religion and other topics. just a thought

[Count Rugen]

About the ACLU; I agree that everyone has the right to be represented, and that the ACLU doesn’t necessarily agree with all of their clients. However, it does seem as though the ACLU chooses not to defend the 1st amendment rights of Christians. It almost seems as though the ACLU works to suppress the 1st amendment rights of Christians.

http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=16295&c=142
http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=16138&c=142
http://www.aclu.org/StudentsRights/StudentsRights.cfm?ID=9069&c=162

[Wadi66]

How very typical of you CC to needle, provoke, call others a liar, make sarcastic remarks then posture yourself as the innocent one.You are entitled to your own interpretation of what constitutes a Christian, but you are not qualified and do not have the right to pass judgement on others. No one died and made you God. You are EXACTLY the kind of Christian that gives Christiandom a bad name. Always going around telling others how ignorant they are, they aren't Christians, they haven't been saved, they don't know the scriptures, in general exalting yourself above those around you. Remember, pride cometh before the fall. You may think you're great stuff, but that's a singular opinion.

[Goose]

http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLibert...?ID=16295&c=142
http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLibert...?ID=16138&c=142
http://www.aclu.org/StudentsRights/...m?ID=9069&c=162

Well Count, I'll admit you gave me a moment of pause with these links. It made me wonder if in fact I was just caught up in anti-ACLU hype. I will definitely try to remember these links and think more openly about the ACLU in the future before I immediately label them as anti-Christian. But this doesn't mean I still won't be a little wary about their intentions towards Christians at times.

[LiberalsAreBabyKillers!]

Another thing about Muslims. In the koran itself, from a book of quotes, I saw a verse that literally says be rough on non-belivers, and be merciful ONLY TO THE BELIVERS, this, is just icing on the cake that makes christians infinitley superior to them ragtopped carpet-kissers!

[Oi_Ve]

The Koran is a religious text, like the Bible. Like the Bible, parts of the Koran reflect commonly held traditions and beliefs of the culture from which they come. In the Bible you have Hebrew law (the whole mess with stoning unwed pregnent women and what not), the Koran is no different in this respect. Arab (not Muslim, Arab. big difference) culture has traditionally not practiced the concept of mercy towards one enemy, regardless of their beliefs, and in fact many a Muslim didn't show each other mercy on various occasions of in-fighting. On that note, Christians and Jews don't burn people for wearing a garment made out of two fabrics. Often parts of religious texts are changed, as is the case of the Koran. Did the book say where in the Koran it was? Like the Bible, old values are later replaced with new ones in the Koran. Often when we look at the older portions of religious texts you'll see several themes:

God is all powerful, and demonstrates it often
God gets pissed and let's you know about it via a cataclysm or something of that nature
More cultural beliefs, often somewhat barbaric

where as the more recent teachings say

non violence
A kinder, more huggable God (come on, who wouldn't hug jesus?)
some sort of direct connection with god and humans

Older portions of a religious scripture are usually more of a codification of law and a collection of myths and serve as a way of preserving the civilization's beliefs, but as the civilization grows and prospers, ideas of peace and tolerance come to fruition. Think about, Communism discusses a violent over throw, and feeds off of poverty. If you're poor, you're more likely to accept violence.
Also, as a final point, while I can't send you link or anything, or give a publisher or what not, there are, in fact, two versions of the Koran in print. I've seen them, read pasages from them, and talked with my neighbor across the street who is Islamic (and actually lent me the copies). One version adds in text which is not in the other copy. a majority of this text is violent and intolerant in nature, so the book could be sighting the violent copy.
Either way, I highly suggest you talk to a Muslim or go to a Mosque, Muslim chat room (do they exist) or something along those lines, you need not agree with the points it teaches, but show respect, and ask questions. Go to the source. You'd be surprised about how many people have a warped sense of christianity in other parts of the world (guess that's why the golden arches are better known than the cross world wide)

[peacenjustice]

[QUOTE] Oi_Ve, they did and do support NAMBLA. You have to support someone to defend them. Even defense attorneys believe in their clients innosence. [QUOTE\]

obviously you have no idea what defense attorneys do because there are a lot of cases where the defending attorney may not believe in their innocence they are by no means required to believe that...they just have to find some way to make the prosecution less credible...they don't have to prove the person is innocent they just have to make it so the prosecution can't prove they're guilty...defense attorney's do not always believe that their clients are innocent get your facts straight

[LiberalsAreBabyKillers!]

It was the book of victory chapter 45.

[Oi_Ve]

Was it just of quotations? If it was, it seems hardly fair for a Christian to judge another religion based on simple quotes (not that you are, this is a general statement to everyone). The Bible has several less than savory quotes, and if a non-Christian who knew little about Christianty were to read these quotes they could get a pretty warped view of Christians.
Example: Satan takes Jesus on top of the mountain and shows him 'all the kingdoms of the world' from up there in hopes of seducing him. However, a non-christian would look at the statement and think "the only way to see every kingdom on earth is if the world was flat, because a spherical earth wouldn't allow this. Therefore christians believe the world is flat."
Get the idea.
And here are two other quotations from the Quaran:

"Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not
transgress limits. God does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190)

"If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is
the One that heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)

See my thread entitled "In the name of the truth" for more info on Islam