The U.N.

[Guns R Cool]

I hope you're right, they may be needed. There are probably a few more million not yet belonging to an organization that will answer the call to arms.

Like me. As soon as I turn 18, I'm getting a lifetime membership to the NRA. I'm also interested in volunteering some of my time to the 7th Missouri Militia. These guys aren't the gun toting ones your thinking about. They're sort of the Intelligence group of all of the militias. Kind od like the centralized govt, most militias in the US report to these guys. There aren't ranks either, everyone is an equal when it comes to protecting the homefront.

[Wadi66]

http://michiganmilitia.com/

Guns, did you read the article by Ron Paul? There is a link at the above site. Its powerful.

[Guns R Cool]

No, what is the link entitiled?

[14edsullivan]

Thats the great thing about this country, we are all armed, we have groups that are willing to step up and fight, militias, police forces (rank and file is going to be on our side of course) the military (ours of course), we can get 100 millions together within the first month, mabye even weeks, they will have there work cut out for them. THere are millions more that will join as the fight gets more serious, all will join and fight, gun laws and vigilianty laws wil go to the wind, people wont take that sitting down. Guns, youre right, the WN movement, the KKK, NATALL, etc. will call up to arms also, america wont go down without a fight. Any one see red dawn?, man i love that movie. The rascist views in the book "the turner diaries" may not be appreciated, but the rest of the story is a book about a government (the system) that takes away all the guns of the citizens and a resistance amounts, and in the end they win, and the system is killed.

[Guns R Cool]

I found it, and yes it is powerful.

http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=4189

[Wadi66]

I've seen "Red Dawn" the movie, I own a copy in fact. Was it made from a book? If so, then the book goes into greater detail than the movie.

[Guns R Cool]

I agree with you Ed, America is one of those countries who can rapidly produce a shitload of Freedom Fighters. Red Dawn was a good movie. I actually sort of want the UN or someone else to invade us so we can give them a can of whoop-ass. It's been quite awhile since a war has been fought on our soil. I think if the US were to be invaded it would force a lot of libs to come to reality and actually respect and love america when they realize that it can be taken from them.

[Wadi66]

I found it, and yes it is powerful.

http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=4189Okay so while we talk about Americans taking up their arms and fighting for our freedom, the battle will be taken to us in a different way. If you need food, fuel, electricity, banking accounts etc, how can you get them without the National ID card? This will bring a lot of patriots to their knees.

[Guns R Cool]

When I view resistence I think not about a secret underground who blends with society, but something more like in Red Dawn. Get a bunch of guns and wander the in live off nature. Kill a few enemy soldiers and take their weapons and supplies and then we have some serious shit going on. I personally only own about eight shotguns and one bolt-action rifle. I can't take someone on with that. Snipe some poor bastard taking a piss and take his auto, it's on now. This isn't going to be a French resistence with us hiding in sewers and shit, this will be in your face. Even though we will be on the defence, I will wage an offensive war against the socialists.

If this ever happens, the goal is to reak havoc unfortunately on our own land like Red Dawn. In France in WWII, society still functioned. People went to work and school while people rebelled. I want a Red Dawn Scenario, everyone resisting. This way we wont have to worry about ID cards.

[Wadi66]

Guns, in Red Dawn, the military didn't have the technology that is available today. I don't think you would find the task as easy as you invision.

A friend gave me this link.
http://www.stoptheftaa.org/artman/publish/article_219.shtml

What's neat is that I'm currently in Utah and this is legislation passed a short time ago. The FTAA, CAFTA, WTO and NAFTA are all part of the UN.

Read it.

[thumbelina]

Agreed Wadi, and the real bad part is that they want to do more then just tax us, they want to interfere with our govt. They want to take away our guns, and they want make all things international, and they want the one world government. Its scary. (Im sure you knew that wadi)


http://www.nrapvf.org/Multimedia/Player.aspx?ID=19 International Disarmament
Human "Rights" Coalition Pleads Case To United Nations
http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=1342

[Guns R Cool]

This is disgusting, we need to get out of the UN now. Sever any connection we have to these socialists and build our armies up. There's a lot of crazy shit in this world and we have to stop it. America is the last line of defense.

[beezlebug]

I think we have to have some type of relation, something like, don't call us we'll call you?

I would also like for the USA to slowly start reducing the funds, do the ole sob story about the deficit, SS, health care and all. That way we might get some liberalasses on our side? :eek:

[God v2.0]

ill vote after the new EU constitution is ratified.

I want to see how a unified Europe will plan on manipulating its UN votes.

[beezlebug]

Yep the EU is stiring the pot, time will tell....

[Guns R Cool]

Isn't most of the money the UN have American? We withdraw they will be wounded for awhile. And we need to cut all connections. Socialism spreads to whatever touches it. Russia to China to Korea to Vietnam to etc. They all border one another.

[chi1088]

Someone was waiting for me to chime in, I bet. The idea of an international organization came from a liberal--- or rather, a Democratic president. He wanted a League of Nations and that failed. That disaster was put behind us, and the US created an environment for the United Nations to be created. Historically, it sounds like it has done some good. On paper, all of its organizations within and everything sound pretty good. However, it is a recipe for chaos right now--what with everything going on in the Middle East and also Asia.

I think the world needs a forum to share ideas in. I think for diplomatic reasons...the United Nations is a good idea, but I don't think any nation can give into the idea of a world organization telling them what to do. Major things need to be changed for the UN to be worth something. I can't say I want it scrapped. I would like to see it altered to work better.

[Wadi66]

The idea of an international organization came from a liberal--- or rather, a Democratic president. He wanted a League of Nations and that failed. Actually while Wilson did present the 14 points to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919, the document was written by Colonel Edward M. House (the “Colonel” was an honorary title), a top advisor who was also referred to as “Assistant President House”. House wrote a novel, published anonymously in 1912, called “Philip Dru: Administrator”. In this book, Philip Dru rules America and introduces some radical changes. Among them was a graduated income tax and central bank. Another objective of Philip Dru was a”league of nations”. The overall purpose of course was to install what he called “Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx”. Marx, in his Communist Manifesto, calls for a central bank and income tax. Prior to Wilson’s reelection in 1916, House had already traveled to England and negotiated a secret agreement committing us to join W W I.

That disaster was put behind us, and the US created an environment for the United Nations to be created. I would hardly call the defeat of the League or Nations a disaster. Point 14 called for a general association of nations. While many nations got on board, the U.S. Senate refused to ratify it. In their infinite wisdom, they knew the League couldn’t guarantee peace. To enforce world security would require a force strong enough to threaten our national sovereignty. Likewise the UN is unable to enforce or obtain world wide security unless they have a force strong enough to do so. And just like with the League, a force strong enough can not acknowledge national sovereignty.

I think the world needs a forum to share ideas in. I think for diplomatic reasons...the United Nations is a good idea, but I don't think any nation can give into the idea of a world organization telling them what to do. Major things need to be changed for the UN to be worth something. I can't say I want it scrapped. I would like to see it altered to work better. Unfortunately there is only one way to bring every nation together under one peaceful umbrella. That is through a totalitarian world wide government. Not only are Americans against it, multiple other Nations are as well. In most cases war wouldn’t be necessary. If only we could reign in those seeking a one world government.

Mankind desires and seeks freedom. No one wants to be a slave. As a result, even if there is a world wide government, freedom seeking people everywhere will continue to fight against a totalitarian government. Thus, even the UN or whatever will find it impossible to enforce peace. But then, you will be told they are insurgents, radicals, terrorists, militia, and the like in order to garner your support in putting them down. And should you fight against it, people in other countries will be told you are one of those groups I mentioned. But are you really or are you fighting for your right to be free?

Best to fight against the UN while there is still hope. Stop financing it and get out.

[chi1088]

Good response, Wadi. Interesting stuff.

[jbeukema]

the u.n. ... we can theoretically use it as a tool, but if it is unable to enforece its judgments... then it joins the LON in hell. We only stay because we are one of the big guys, not that it does us any good