Topiary Lady Needs a Gun

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

Wait Wait, my turn......


Personally, a 9mm appears to be a more versatile delivery platform, and you don't need arms like Schwarzenegger to control it.

Add to that a few hollow points, or find a gunsmith who will cut an 'X' on the tip of your rounds, and that thing'll blow a hole straighter than a road to hell and 3 times as wide.

[14edsullivan]

Im with the above...good ammo is essential. For the range it dont matter much. but for your defense rounds...u really should buy the nicer stuff. Latley round here weve benn usin "speer" rounds for the .45acp...and nicer federal stuff. Definatly get the hollowpoints defintly. Army may not be able to use em but u sure as hell should.

[14edsullivan]

TL, I told you you'd get a lot of replies on this.

Actually, plenty of stuff beats a .45, it depends on a lot of variable. Gun barrel length, type of bullet, type of powder, etc. I .357 magnum will certainly cause as much damage as a .45. by the way, the .45 is also available in a revolver.

Have enough to chew on TL? I would recommend you buy something. It feels good to have it in your house. Forget about the taser. If it comes to that, you don't want to hurt the guy, you want him dead. The deader the better.

Either way you go - just go out and shoot it until you are comfortable with it. It's the most important part.


Yup it is...i should have specified...i wasnt talkin about .45 long colt or anything but .45ACP...well you could still use those in a revolver with moon clips...but yet another topic....specific round differance i geuss would be another discusion

[LiberalsAreBabyKillers!]

Get a Desert Eagle 50 AE, It is the most powerful largest caliber handgun in the world, it can knock a full grown man on his ass from the recoil. :icon_twis

[U.F.B.]

I own an M-26 T.A.S.E.R. I used it many times in the field. It is an extremely effective device.
I keep it right next to my Colt pocket light .380, and Beretta 40 cal. The Mosberg is in the closet.

[GoJeepGo]

While I fully support and practice firearm ownership... I find a Louisville Slugger to be more richly satisfying.

[the-man]

Thankyou everyone. It's a lot of info to absorb.

Mr. Topiary and I have not really wanted a gun in the past. We've just been talking about it because of our backyard intruder. Right now Mr. T says if he catches the guy he's going to hang him upside down in the gazebo and beat him like a pinata with the shovel.

oh if its just a back yard thief you should get a paintball gun they are silent and have rapid fire and when the paintballs are frozen they hurt like hell :eek: . But its also good to have a shotgun.

[Guns R Cool]

12 guage is good for house protection. DE .50 will blow a man in half, don't know if you'll be able to hold it and fire it though.

Get yourself a Glock 18, fully auto pistol. :icon_twis

You would probably be looking at what mostly everyone else is saying. .38 special or .375 magnum.

[the-man]

ya know its not very good to have a gun in self defence that knockes you ass on the ground. because if you miss your screwd.

[14edsullivan]

heres the guages and what they're good for:
12 guage: home protection, sport shooting, perhaps hunting.
10 guage: home/business protection, hunting moose, and some sport shooting.
8 guage: War (civillians, to my knowlege, can't buy these)

huh...?

Gauges are determined uses a old method of taking lead balls of uniform diameter that weigh one pound and the number of such balls is the gauge number and the diameter of such, the diameter of the barrell, so a 28 gauge barrrel would have 28 lead balls of uniform size that fit down its barrell that weigh one pound.

.410 bore, thought not really a gauge, a bore diameter, it is still a shotgun loading. It was originated as the highest amount of handicap on a skeet shooter. Beside shooting sports it is used for small game hunting, and in some arenas a assault shotgun loading, the only example of this that comes to mind is a Saiga .410, which is a shotgun based on the AK action.

28 Gauge, small bird hunting and shooting sports not that popular

20 Gauge, second most popular only to the 12 gauge, used in uses by which lower recoil is sought, such as begining shooters, again small bird hunting and shooting sports, quite a popular skeet round

16 gauge, same as 28, not that popular

12 gauge is the most popular period, it is a multi purpose loading that is used for not only almost all forms of hunting, but sport shooting, and home defense and war. The recoil of the 12 gauge is quite manageable. It has found its use in home defense and war for the longest times.

10 Gauge, finds almost no modern use in warfare or defense, loads in tactical sizes are difficult to find, only used for large bird hunting.

8 gauge, almost no hand held 8 gauge shotguns exist beside very old blunderbluss's

4 and below, find use as "punt guns" mounted on ships decks for attack on aerial targets, almost always birds, used for flock hunting.

There are more gauges, but these are the popular ones.
ill also put in a dicsussion of shot sizes.

Shot numbers relate to the biggest number the smallest shot, and these are measured by weight, usally 1 oz. or 1 1/8 ounce in the 2 3/4 shell

#9 shot, the smallest commercially avaible shot size, uses are clay shooting
#7 and #8 most popular skeet rounds, some small bird hunting.
#6 bird hunting and other small game
#5 bird hunting and other small game
#4 larger bird hunting and other small game
#3-#1 Larger Bird hunting, such as turkey and geese
BB same size as a BB .177 caliber, used for larger bird hunting

then we get into Buckshot, which gained its name for shooting deer with it, but shooting deer with buck shot is a excersize in fultiliy, medium size aniumals can be taken down with buckshot but a rifle is much more effective. buckshot is measered in numbers ranging from 4 to 000 (triple aught buck) These rounds are not measered by weight but rather of the number of individual balls make that weight.

4 i dont remember the number, but its in the 30's, 36 i think
3... (not used widely)
2... "" ""
1 16 pellets of .30 caliber This is mostly considered the best round for defense, even above 00 becuase it has the best pellet size to pellet number ratio of all the buck shots.
0 12 of .31 i belive
00 9 of .33 most popular home defense round though thougth to be inferior to the #1 in some ways
000 6 of .38 i think, not widely used

Slugs are basically a 1 oz chunk of lead being shot outta the rifle, if u are going deer hunting or something of the like, you want a slug shotgun loaded with slugs. They also find use for home defense.

There are also many differant special loadings for shotguns, these are all mostly in the 12 gauge arena becuase of its popularity, such as flares, bird bombs, and any other loading imaginable, such as tacks, needles, things like that.

There are slight variations in shotgun shell loadings such as shell length. In the twelve gague there are 3 differant lengths in the modern weapons. There is the most poluar 2 3/4 inch loading, and then the "magnum" 3" and the the "super magnum" 3 1/2 inch, it is important to know what your shotgun takes and load it properly. For home defense a 2 3/4 inch #1 buckshot shell is mostly considered the best choice. A 3" inch shell or 3 1/2 inch shell offer more pellets and power, but at a loss to the amount of recoil and are most thought of as not nessacary.


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[14edsullivan]

12 guage is good for house protection. DE .50 will blow a man in half, don't know if you'll be able to hold it and fire it though.

Get yourself a Glock 18, fully auto pistol. :icon_twis

You would probably be looking at what mostly everyone else is saying. .38 special or .375 magnum.

I think some people reeeeeaaaallllly over estimate the power of a DE .50 its only a little larger then the .45, its not going to blow outta your hands when u shoot it, and its not going to break your wrist, and its sure as hell not going to blow a man in half, its terminal ballistics aren't even as good as some of the "less powerful" rounds. not to be an ass, but it just seems some people have misconceptions about stuff

[Guns R Cool]

I was being sarcastic. :tongue:

[14edsullivan]

I was being sarcastic. :tongue:


lol weeeellll, some people aint when it comes to that stuff, so i figured lol, some people think that people really do fly into walls when u shoot them, or you cna survive being shot 13 times with a gun, lol...damn movies

[the-man]

huh...?

Gauges are determined uses a old method of taking lead balls of uniform diameter that weigh one pound and the number of such balls is the gauge number and the diameter of such, the diameter of the barrell, so a 28 gauge barrrel would have 28 lead balls of uniform size that fit down its barrell that weigh one pound.

.410 bore, thought not really a gauge, a bore diameter, it is still a shotgun loading. It was originated as the highest amount of handicap on a skeet shooter. Beside shooting sports it is used for small game hunting, and in some arenas a assault shotgun loading, the only example of this that comes to mind is a Saiga .410, which is a shotgun based on the AK action.

28 Gauge, small bird hunting and shooting sports not that popular

20 Gauge, second most popular only to the 12 gauge, used in uses by which lower recoil is sought, such as begining shooters, again small bird hunting and shooting sports, quite a popular skeet round

16 gauge, same as 28, not that popular

12 gauge is the most popular period, it is a multi purpose loading that is used for not only almost all forms of hunting, but sport shooting, and home defense and war. The recoil of the 12 gauge is quite manageable. It has found its use in home defense and war for the longest times.

10 Gauge, finds almost no modern use in warfare or defense, loads in tactical sizes are difficult to find, only used for large bird hunting.

8 gauge, almost no hand held 8 gauge shotguns exist beside very old blunderbluss's

4 and below, find use as "punt guns" mounted on ships decks for attack on aerial targets, almost always birds, used for flock hunting.

There are more gauges, but these are the popular ones.
ill also put in a dicsussion of shot sizes.

Shot numbers relate to the biggest number the smallest shot, and these are measured by weight, usally 1 oz. or 1 1/8 ounce in the 2 3/4 shell

#9 shot, the smallest commercially avaible shot size, uses are clay shooting
#7 and #8 most popular skeet rounds, some small bird hunting.
#6 bird hunting and other small game
#5 bird hunting and other small game
#4 larger bird hunting and other small game
#3-#1 Larger Bird hunting, such as turkey and geese
BB same size as a BB .177 caliber, used for larger bird hunting

then we get into Buckshot, which gained its name for shooting deer with it, but shooting deer with buck shot is a excersize in fultiliy, medium size aniumals can be taken down with buckshot but a rifle is much more effective. buckshot is measered in numbers ranging from 4 to 000 (triple aught buck) These rounds are not measered by weight but rather of the number of individual balls make that weight.

4 i dont remember the number, but its in the 30's, 36 i think
3... (not used widely)
2... "" ""
1 16 pellets of .30 caliber This is mostly considered the best round for defense, even above 00 becuase it has the best pellet size to pellet number ratio of all the buck shots.
0 12 of .31 i belive
00 9 of .33 most popular home defense round though thougth to be inferior to the #1 in some ways
000 6 of .38 i think, not widely used

Slugs are basically a 1 oz chunk of lead being shot outta the rifle, if u are going deer hunting or something of the like, you want a slug shotgun loaded with slugs. They also find use for home defense.

There are also many differant special loadings for shotguns, these are all mostly in the 12 gauge arena becuase of its popularity, such as flares, bird bombs, and any other loading imaginable, such as tacks, needles, things like that.

There are slight variations in shotgun shell loadings such as shell length. In the twelve gague there are 3 differant lengths in the modern weapons. There is the most poluar 2 3/4 inch loading, and then the "magnum" 3" and the the "super magnum" 3 1/2 inch, it is important to know what your shotgun takes and load it properly. For home defense a 2 3/4 inch #1 buckshot shell is mostly considered the best choice. A 3" inch shell or 3 1/2 inch shell offer more pellets and power, but at a loss to the amount of recoil and are most thought of as not nessacary.


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