"Unexpected" - If you are a liberal

[IHL]

They said it couldn't be done. They laughed and jeered and had little hissy fits when President Bush proposed a tax cut. "How can you cut taxes at a time like this? We are at war. People are on welfare - children will die." They said it all. It was labeled as a 'tax cut for the rich' (http://www.workersparty.org/tax-cut-for-rich.html)and the warnings of skyrocketing deficits were ubiquitous. The liberals said the tax cuts would send the deficit through the ceiling.

But George Bush knew better. George Bush was not swayed by political pressure. Mr. Bush knew that cutting taxes meant that more jobs would be created. He knew cutting taxes would provide much needed breaks to business and those businesses would then have additional revenue to do things like - hire more workers. (Gasp!) He knew that cutting taxes would increase revenue. What? Cutting taxes brings in more money? Why, that's impossible. You can't increase revenue by cutting taxes! George Bush is a moron.

Today, even the most liberal mainstream news paper in the country - The New York Times - had to admit that the Deficit to Shrink to $333 Billion Because of Extra Tax Revenue (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/13/business/13cnd-deficit.html?hp&ex=1121313600&en=23d6248fdf0fef66&ei=5094&partner=homepage). The "moron" was right. And how does the New York Times refer to this revenue increase? "For the first time since President Bush took office, an unexpected leap in tax revenue is about to shrink the federal budget deficit this year, by nearly $100 billion." The New York Times calls it an "unexpected leap in tax revenue". Unexpected if you are a liberal perhaps. The idea of increasing revenue by cutting taxes is impenetrable to liberal logic. It's simple to us conservatives. Reducing taxes means more money to the business. More money for the business to expand their business. Greater need for workers equals more jobs. More jobs means more people added to the tax roles, which means more money in tax revenue and less money dished out in unemployment.

The liberals said the tax cuts would be on the backs of the working class. But according to the New York Times - "The biggest jump was not from taxes withheld from salaries but from quarterly payments on investment gains and business earnings, which were up 20 percent this year." Read that again - the taxes didn't come from workers, the taxes came from investors and business! The liberals were wrong again as they always are.

You won't hear much about this in the news. You'd hear plenty if revenues were down, but this will get buried. Instead, all we will hear about is the new greatest threat to the American population - Karl Rove. Yes, forget about bin Laden. Forget about the terrorist attacks in London. Forget about the good news about the booming economy and reduced deficit. The most important thing to the liberals these days is cutting the head off of the Bush machine. The libs think that having Karl Rove fired is the most important thing that can be done for the American people.

And they still wonder why they keep losing elections. (Shhhsss - don't tell them.)

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

This might come on CBS for 10 seconds. At least FOX News will play it a lot. Liberals are trying to scavenge anything they can find on a Republican so they can just make them look like EVIL EVIL MEN! And the good part is they aren’t doing a good job of it. Now that the deficit is down what can libs complain about now they will find something I bet they are still crying about Karl Roves remarks of “Truth.”

[short circut]

this is a slap in the face to the liberals. very thing happend exactly as our presidnet said it would.

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after reading the article on ap news it appears that liberals are alreaday trying to downplay this by claiming that onlt the rich are profiting.

[IHL]

There is little doubt they will try to spin this but there is nothing they can say. The facts are simple. The tax cut increased revenue to the government. There is no debating that. It's not the first time this has happened either. It happened when Reagan did it in the 80's.

Too bad Chi is gone. I'd love to hear his irrational explanation on how a reduced deficit benefits only the rich. So for any liberals out there, I'd love for you to point out how reduced taxes, increased tax revenue, the lowest unemployment in over four years, and a lower deficit is bad for America. Come on - I'm sure you can think of something. You guys are great and finding things that are bad for America.

[DoubleU]

Standard liberal answer:


umm yeah, well What about Halliburton!?!?!??!

[JustTheIssues]

Lower federal deficits are good. I find it interesting, however, that supposed Conservatives are crowing about how the change in projections announced yesterday still results in the second or third largest deficit in American history.

Like our esteemed moderator, I also read "the other side." That notoriously Liberal rag, The Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/business/20050713-115625-5795r.htm), said in its coverage of the announcement:

"But the improvement will be short-lived, forecasters say, because federal spending on Social Security, Medicare and other entitlements is projected to balloon as the baby boomers start retiring at the end of the decade.
The revenue windfall, far from ushering in a brief period of surpluses as a similar revenue surge did during the 1990s, will leave a deficit that is still the third-largest in history."
The Associated Press (http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2005/07/08/federal_budget_deficit_expected_to_shrink/) stated:

"Despite the improvement projected over the short term, neither the CBO nor the administration's Office of Management and Budget is expected to dramatically overhaul its long-term deficit projections, which show a steady decline in the level of red ink through the end of the decade but anticipate a spike in the deficit soon thereafter while the baby boom generation is claiming its retirement benefits."

I am a Liberal, so you may have to explain these things to me slowly. How is it the Liberals' fault that four years after the end of the recession and three years of complete control of the Congress by the Republicans, the long-term deficit numbers are only expected to increase? Do not the independent analysts say that the revenue gains we are seeing now come from an expiration of a tax cut? How is it that the revenue gains seen by the IRS, coming from "higher stock market gains and the business income of relatively wealthy taxpayers. The biggest jump was not from taxes withheld from salaries but from quarterly payments on investment gains and business earnings, which were up 20 percent this year" do not indicate a fiscal policy that has benefited the wealthy?

If you wish to credit Bush policy for this news, also must also credit him for the fact that the Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics says that ""Real Earnings" have decreased since 2003, as well as crediting him with the deficit we have. I submit that over the next two years, you will not see a continued decrease in the deficit or (of greater concern) the debt. If I am wrong, I am on record. If I am right, will you give Bush credit?

[IHL]

The main point I was making is that contrary to what many liberals said and continue to say, it is possible to increase revenue while cutting taxes. Raising taxes like the left seemingly always wants to do, is not the way to prosperity. If it was, we could all just give all our money to the government and we'd all be fat and happy. Unfortunately, many on the ultra left would be fine with that. Hillary Clinton is not far away from that position as it is: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -Hillary Clinton

I think you bring up a second and equally important issue - spending. I think spending is out of control and I disagree with the president on the amount of money he spends on many social programs and give aways to those that are able but unwilling to work. So I believe there are two seperate but somewhat related issues here - revenue and the deficit. Let us not forget that we are spending a lot of money in the war on terror. Whether or not you agree or disagree with how this war is being waged, the fact is that we are spending a lot of money there. Also, the effects of 9/11 had an enormous negative effect on the economy as does the high price of oil. What I am pointing out, is the despite these devastating events, our economy is in excellent shape, tax revenues are up, and unemployment is down. And yes, I do credit George Bush with that.

I also credit him with spending too much money, so on that point we can agree.

P.S. -(A personal note to JustTheIssues) - Get some sleep - I'm flattered you are on my web site at 1:37am. Did the kids wake you up? :biggrin: )

[hillarysux]

Conservatives believe what we see. Liberals see what they believe. Thick wooden skulls never change.

[Wadi66]

Its simple math guys; lower taxes mean more money goes into the government. Its been proven correct many times, but the libs stilll dont get it.The libs understand perfectly. They aren't stupid after all. We just think they are and they're perfectly fine with it. Capitalism and socialism don't mix. The struggle over taxes boils down to why type of country will we have. The libs want higher taxes as it will lead to socialism, lower taxes support capitalism.

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

Wadi The libs understand perfectly. They aren't stupid after all.

Libs arnt stupid damn where have I've been?

[HOKIEHUNTER]

KKKarl? completely and totally unsubstantiated.

the party is falling down around us? i guess that's why we've gained power in the house, senate, and white house.

check out how Plame had already outed herself while sluttin it up. (someone provide the link for our esteemed friend here).

Treason is punishible by death huh? how about john kerry meeting as a private citizen with leaders of a country we're at war with. that's treason. how about selling nuclear secrets to the chinese like clinton? that's treason. where were you calling for their heads?

oh and by the way there, chief, we're not a democracy...

[FightinDaMan]

Somebody seems to be a bit off his rocker. KKKarl really gets me. That's just funny. Why do partisan hacks feel the need to make up stupid derogatory nick-names for people they don't like? It just sounds childish.

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

Look in the mirror so that you may see the face of an Enemy of the State. Your continuous cheerleading for the GOP can only be attributed to a lack of maturity, monumental ignorance, morally corrupt character and a fascist streak that can only be fulfilled at times by torturing small animals.


“Maturity” and “Fascist” and wtf does small animals have to do with anything even if you were using it metaphorically. Please if you’re going put your personal feelings in get some real information. Is Ted Kennedy mature asking Dick Cheney to resign how about making big deal about Tom Delay or Rove, Liberal Media and Liberal Hollywood is a big lack of maturity. So if we are fascist then I guess that makes Liberals Communist. Fascist is a load of B.S. you read too much in the newspapers and news media. Just because the Democratic Party is losing power doesn’t mean Conservatives are fascist in any right.

KKKarl Rove wow where did you get that out of a book.

[HOKIEHUNTER]

wow, and i guess there are no democrat themed sites...

No if he's proven guilty, we'll call for his resignation. Kinda funny that the same party that stood behind clinton, kerry, and oj simpson (who actually commited murder .... oh wait that wasn't proven either) is so hypocritically turning against rove. also kinda funny that these accusations didn't spring up until Rove justifiably made the Dems. look like complete idiots in front of the whole country. how bout no a-hole. the only reason the dems are goin after rove is he is a major threat to them. he's kicked ther tails for the past 6-8 years come election time and they know with all their filibustering BS, lack of any plan on any issue, and crappy public image (thanks to Mr. Rove). the only way the democrats stand a chance at getting elected is character assasination, and the last couple times they've just made themselves look like complete asses (see the Bush AWOL letter). so no, in the face of the recent BS the libs have pulled, we conservatives are not gonna bow down and take orders from the minority party. Myabe if the DEMS didn't cry wolf every 5 secs. america would actually believe them. instead mainstream and red-state america is becoming completely disillussioned with the DEMs, and we no longer put any stock in anything they have to say.

[IHL]

KKKarl Rove - I didn't know Rove was in the KKK. But leading democrat Robert Byrd was an active member of the KKK (http://vikingphoenix.com/news/madminute/2002/mm2002-05.htm)so you might want to be careful when attempting to throw stones you can't even lift.

It's nice to have another irrational liberal on the site to remind us and the rest of the world how completely out of touch with reality you people are.

And when the Karl Rove story falls apart - as it will - you guys will glom on to something else to try to bring down Bush. We'll be watching.

[Bumblebee]

[QUOTE=what_the_$%^&*] QUOTE]

You need to wake up. This is a global war brought on by terrorists.
What is so dangerous is that now we're finding out that there are terrorists that are home grown, which means they're two and third gereation Muslims.
They've been around way before 9-11.
Forget your hatred for Bush and his administration and look at what really is happening everywhere.

[Wadi66]

The libs understand perfectly. They aren't stupid after all
Libs arnt stupid damn where have I've been?Sorry I missed your response earlier. My view is that Democrats know EXACTLY what they're doing. They've been in bed with the commies for over 30 yrs.

[IHL]

Are you people that dense and Stupid

...not any one else you easily distracted mental midgets
Well, what_the_$%^&*, I knew it wouldn't be long before the insults would start flying from you.

So I don't know if you plan on visiting the site on a regular basis or if this is just a one time dump of your liberal minutia but either way I'll inform you of the way things work.

Unlike the liberals sites, I won't necessarily ban you for your views. Just the fact that you are a flaming, irrational liberal isn't enough to get you banned from this site. We are rather grateful for people like you, Ted Kennedy and Howard Dean. We appreciate what you have done to move the country to the Right. However, I am not tolerate of irrational liberals who are also rude and insulting which you have been. This will be your last warning. Stop the personal attacks or be gone.

[Wadi66]

Put your money where your yap is and sign up.I'm too old to go. When do you report for basic training??

[IHL]

This isn't about signing up for the military. And I have served already. Have you?

If you are concerned about national security, you belong to the wrong party. The liberals are appeasers. They will simply hold sensitivity training exercises and try to figure out what we did to cause the attacks. Democrats are consistently weak on defense. It is your crowd that always wants to cut the military, cut intelligence, pull out from any conflict, and not respond to attacks against us. Trust me, the Republicans are much more suited to defending this country than Barbara Boxer or Ted Kennedy could ever dream of being.

Our national defense rests is our ability to find the terrorists and kill them first. That means we have to go looking for them. They are out there - they will kill women and children in the blink of an eye and not shed a tear. They would kill you and your baby sister if you have one, and be proud of doing it.

We won't agree on how to do it. We've had this debate before. Be mad. We are all mad. Just be aware of where you are. If I tried to post anything at all to a liberal site, no matter how polite, articulate and correct I was, I would be deleted and banned. As I said, you won't be banned for disagreeing with me but you will be watched and held to a slighter different standard. State your feelings, just do so in a dignified way and you will be treated the same way.

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

Which you all don't seem to care about, but I seem to have hurt your feelings in calling you names....OOHHHH.

Damn man your pushing the envelope.

Liberal whinning and ranting wont get your point across, and I have been on Liberal sites before and ban on the second post for my views. Liberals are so one sided they cant take the time to listen and hear out other peopls views.

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

Just like a sycophantic cheerleder for the neocon right. Offended when called their true names. You must be taking lessons from INS_HANNITY.


That is like the fourth time you use cheerleader please Mr. Big shot think of something new.


What is your point? That unethical behavior and turning the white house into a private club is ok with all of you? The CIA can be a political and tactical tool for defending the neocon cause? I have news for you. THAT WON'T HAPPEN!

The Criminal Presidency that’s particularly your view And the Oil is being burned right now not stolen and where did you get your stastic of 9 billion dollars? And if I reamber right the Liberals are the ons squabling for power.


All this will come out in the next few weeks and the truth is you should be prepared to learn what real sell outs these criminals are. ALL OF THEM!! your little fantasy land of cream and honey and all is well and all the bad liberals are poo poo heads will come down and hit hard like a Drunken Frat House Republican puke that is too busy getting shit faced and playing video games to go to WAR IN IRAQ.

Do you work for a news station or something the next few weeks so you are saying Bush and his party are sale outs well I don’t see you giving money to the Red Cross or helping out to support other countries is that saling out? This isn’t a fantasy world maybe you should comeback to reality. Wow I can tell you really support are troops. Those are needless rants saying the Frat House Republicans is to busy getting shit faced me bet you wouldn’t have the first clue to run a country with your views we would be invaded and conquered.



I am by no means happy about the fact that Scooter and Karl and maybe others are involved because then we are really screwed. That can only mean that this country is being run by a bunch of drunk teenagers with guns and no adult supervision. In fact this is dangerous breach of our National Security and if you knucleheads would stop playing with your little Liberal voo doo dolls for a while you can investigate for yourself how serious this is.

We know how serious it is, calling us drunk teenagers with guns and no adult supervision isn’t my idea of getting a point across please must I repeat myself over and over I might acutely believe you maybe when the sun dies out but I might believe you if you stop whining instead of maturely stating your view.


As far as the rest of you cheerleaders where are your NADS? Join up if you believe your Presidunce's B.S. war.

If you don’t like America then leave no one is stoping you.

sorry for the long post.

[HOKIEHUNTER]

What kind of a twisted fantasy world are you people living in?

I see what is going on with you people. It's not about being right or wrong. It's about maintaining power at whatever cost. That’s the moronic mentality that got us in a war with Iraq.

You seem to be frightened little children and Papa Bush will protect you, because the scary brown people with turbans are gonna get ya!

hmm, how about a nation where we are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY??? EVER HEARD OF THAT ONE, CHIEF?

so i guess having no plan on any issue like the dems is a better philosophy. the only thing they've done for the past 4 years is character assasination.

and yes dipshit, they "alleged treason" has EVERYTHING TO DO with the "PROVEN TREASON" of the officials before. you turncoats didn't call for anything then so why now? and i hate to tell you but nuclear secrets are a little more important than some running around slut.

ANd no I do not look to MR. Bush to save me from the brown people. if they come to my town i have my own private arsenal and will drop their pansy asses in their spots.


What is your point? That unethical behavior and turning the white house into a private club is ok with all of you? The CIA can be a political and tactical tool for defending the neocon cause? I have news for you. THAT WON'T HAPPEN!
so turning the lincoln bedroom into a frat house party room is ethical? that makes sense...

[spike]

Ur forgetting just how many jobs Bush created. The tax cut was just horrible.

[Mr. Glass]

I think in the span of history, this tax cut will be but a blip on the radar, but it's still something to be critical of (just as is everything the government does, no matter which party is in controll)

As for this being a tax cut for the rich....

_ANY_ tax country that has a chance of being passed in this country will benefit the rich more than the poor... taxes are based on a percentage of income/wealth/property/etc, so the more you have, the more you pay...when taxes are cut, the more you have, the more you'll save, at least looking at the dollar amount.

Now... I have always considered this tax cut to be a favor to the wealthiest Americans, but it by no means excludes the poor.

The main reason I have for feeling this is more of a benefit to the rich is because they have more to gain from it.... it's that simple. I'm not against it, I just think it should be called what it is..... a tax break to benefit industry and small business owners, for the purpose of stimulating the economy. It'll be many more years before we can really have an informed debate on if it worked or not.

I mean....look.....when a rich individual saves more on their taxes from this cut than the average worker brings home in a year.... who benefits more?

But, of course, it means these companies have more money, which, in theory, would go to thweir workers. The problem, is, too many people are letting the gains go to the CEOs and exzecs, not the little guy....

bah TAXES

When some CEO who makes in excess of 10,000,000 a year figures his tax cut, it'll be a lot more than some single mom who makes $25,000 a year.... he can buy a new boat, she can buy...brand name toilet paper maybe?

gotta trudge up that economic ladder somehow I guess....

-Doug