Death penalty candidate?

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/27/btk/index.html

The BTK killer has confessed non-chalantly to killing 10 people. Can the libs and conservatives on this site agree that this man would be a good candidate for the death penalty, or can the libs on this site defend this man?

Note: Kansas has the death penalty, but BTK is not eligible, because when he committed his crimes, Kansas did not have the penalty.

[deek]

he definitely should, but the law is the law, we can't start changing it because we want to. so if there was no death penalty when he committed the crimes, then no, he should not get it.

[Argonath]

Damn. I read the whole thing and that's all i can say. damn.

[Bumblebee]

Remember the Manson murders? In California we had the death penalty. They changed the law after the Manson murderers were convicted and sentenced to death, but it became retroactive and are still in prison using up the tax payers money.

[owl_the_beatnik]

Why is the death penalty a big deal?
Hell, I think every criminal should be zapped!

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

he definitely should, but the law is the law, we can't start changing it because we want to. so if there was no death penalty when he committed the crimes, then no, he should not get it.

I realize that there are no legal options to put him to death, but just looking objectively at this case, I believe that is the sort of man who should be put to death.

[IHL]

The liberals would defend him. Those that are against the death penalty are against it for all. I doesn't matter how heinous the crime. They would argue the killing him will not bring back his victims and that if we kill him it makes us no better than him.

This is of course utterly absurd, but do you expect any less. I realize killing him will not bring back his victims. I wish it could. I want him dead just for the utter satisfaction of know he is dead. And, I'd be all in favor of a painful death. Call me sick - I don't care. He deserves it.

[FightinDaMan]

Nope, not in favor of killing him, nor anybody else.

[Count Rugen]

... are still in prison using up the tax payers money.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/NY-RCD-Test.pdf

[Bumblebee]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/NY-RCD-Test.pdf
I'm not that crazy about the death penalty, but it seems that murderers are serving less and less time for killing, just because they confessed.

Heinous crimes like the BTK and Manson murders where there is positive proof, should get the death penalty. The sooner the better.

Why do they always forget the victims?

[FightinDaMan]

Yes, but don't change the subject.

[deek]

count, i didnt actually read what you linked, i skimmed, but i am assuming it said that the death penalty actually costs more than the life incarceration in the long run? or something very much to that affect. hopefully i didnt miss a point in there somewhere.

however, i would like to say, its not the money that is the problem to me, hopefully most people, it is the principal of the thing, i would much rather pay for him to die (even if it is a little more), than pay for him to live. as far as cases with criminals like BTK killer.

[FightinDaMan]

count, i didnt actually read what you linked, i skimmed, but i am assuming it said that the death penalty actually costs more than the life incarceration in the long run? or something very much to that affect. hopefully i didnt miss a point in there somewhere.

however, i would like to say, its not the money that is the problem to me, hopefully most people, it is the principal of the thing, i would much rather pay for him to die (even if it is a little more), than pay for him to live. as far as cases with criminals like BTK killer.

Not that this reflects on your thoughts, but saving money is often cited by death penalty proponents as a reason for maintaining it.


Remember the Manson murders? In California we had the death penalty. They changed the law after the Manson murderers were convicted and sentenced to death, but it became retroactive and are still in prison using up the tax payers money.

[Bumblebee]

however, i would like to say, its not the money that is the problem to me, hopefully most people, it is the principal of the thing, i would much rather pay for him to die (even if it is a little more), than pay for him to live. as far as cases with criminals like BTK killer.
So would I.

[FightinDaMan]

Changing your mind bumblebee? That's you I quoted in my last paragraph, complaining about spending money to keep people in prsion.

[Bumblebee]

Changing your mind bumblebee? That's you I quoted in my last paragraph, complaining about spending money to keep people in prsion.
If that's what it takes, Yes!

[FightinDaMan]

Anytime anyone says something you don't want to hear they're changing the subject.

The thread is about whether or not BTK should be killed, not abortion.

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

SO why is it then, FDM, that you're ok with this scumbag living out the rest of his days albeit in confinement, while 10 people he chose do not have the same luxury?

[Topiary Lady]

When I heard the sickening coverage of the BTK murderer bragging about how he killed all of those poor people, I almost got sick myself. How anyone can possibly think that this monster deserves to live another second is beyond me.

Since BTK was so proud to tell us all of how he murdered and innocent woman by hanging her in the garage, I say we hang him. I've got plenty of room in my garage, so I say bring him on over, and don't forget the rope. I'll supply the refreshments and party hats.

[Bumblebee]

I'll bring petit fours, cookies and brownies.

[HOKIEHUNTER]

here's a valid question:
We can't put this guy to death b/c at the time the state didn't have the death penalty, right?

Well at the time of Americas begining slavery was perfectly legal. Now, however, we're forced to hold minorities to "more fair" standards b/c their ancestors were once slaves. The government gives them more financial aid and they ge special representation b/c "their ancestors were once slaves." If slavery doesn't fall under the grandfather clause neither should death penalty.

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

When I heard the sickening coverage of the BTK murderer bragging about how he killed all of those poor people, I almost got sick myself.

Yes, it was very disturbing the way he described the murders matter-of-factly, like he was describing a day at the office.

[FightinDaMan]

SO why is it then, FDM, that you're ok with this scumbag living out the rest of his days albeit in confinement, while 10 people he chose do not have the same luxury?

Because killing others, not in defense of human life, is wrong. As I already stated.

Also, I don't exactly like the idea of the government having the power to kill citizens.

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

Also, I don't exactly like the idea of the government having the power to kill citizens.

It's a necessary evil. I dont exactly like the idea of a man having the power to kill his countrymen and spending the rest of his life on the taxpayers' dime because some bleeding heart lawyer convinced a judge that he didn't get enough hugs as a child.

I have one thing to say about hardened killers like these: kill 'em all. Bring back the rope, the gullotine, the rack, I don't care.If libs don't like it, how about they pay for the bastard's living expenses for the rest of his life?

FDM, you've probably been asked this question before, and I probably know your answer already, but I'll ask anyway. If someone raped/butchered your wife, children, dog and pet fish, would you be first in line to demand mercy for that man?

[FightinDaMan]

I have one thing to say about hardened killers like these: kill 'em all. Bring back the rope, the gullotine, the rack, I don't care.If libs don't like it, how about they pay for the bastard's living expenses for the rest of his life?

Did you read the information Count posted? By the time you add it all up, it costs more to put somebody to death than it does to lock em up for life.


FDM, you've probably been asked this question before, and I probably know your answer already, but I'll ask anyway. If someone raped/butchered your wife, children, dog and pet fish, would you be first in line to demand mercy for that man?

I probably have, but let me revise my answer. From my current position, I say yes, but I suppose it's hard to judge if one is not in that position. I hope that I would take the high road, and be a better man than him.