Well now we know.

[IHL]

We finally found out where the liberals draw the line. It's OK for the DNC chairman Howard Dean to call Republicans evil (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/24/AR2005042401160.html). No apology, no outcry and no calls for him to resign. It's OK for the chairman of the DNC to call Republicans corrupt. No apologies, no calls to resign from the liberals there either. It's OK for the chairman of the DNC to say that Republicans have never worked an honest day in their lives (http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050603-123932-6657r.htm). Not a problem. The liberals don't call for an apology and no one called for Dean to resign. It is even OK for the number 2 leading Democrat, Dick "Turbin" Durbin, to compare our American soldiers to Nazis, Pol Pot and the Soviet gulags, even though he had never visited the place where he claims these things took place. The majority of the liberals didn't make a peep. Durbin did make a forced, reluctant and insincere apology after extreme pressure from most of America on that one, but you get the point.

But what does cross the line? Just what is so atrocious that the liberals will finally stand up and say enough is enough? Well, just about anything that comes from Karl Rove is a start but let him tell the truth about the liberals and they will have a fit. That's exactly what Karl Rove did when he said, "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." Conservatives, he said, "saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." This is exactly the truth. This is precisely what the majority of the liberals did (http://www.moveon.org/artistswinwithoutwar/). They wanted hearings, they wanted trials, they had demonstrations in the street with their "No Blood for Oil" propaganda. They said war won't solve anything and they still say it today. They want to pull out from Iraq, they want to release terrorist prisoners, and they want to try George Bush as a war criminal. Karl Rove was 100% exactly correct when he said those words.

How do the libs, who continue to slam Republicans, our military, and our president reply to the truth being told about them? Democrats: Rove should apologize or resign (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/23/rove.speech.ap/index.html)

Karl Rove, should not resign - his words should be pasted on the front gates of the World Trade Center Memorial if the liberals ever let it be built.

When asked if President Bush will request that Karl Rove apologize, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said, "Apologize? Are you kidding? The president is having a plaque with those words hung in the Oval Office!" OK, I made that part up. McClellan said, "Of course not", but he was probably thinking what I said.

They can burn the flag, they can bash the military, they can call Americans lazy, but what ever you do, don't question their patriotism!

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

Good Point IHL :icon_smil

I agree with you a 100%. Its sad to see the United States of America the way Democrats portray it News Week,CBS,NBC and etc. Thats why when a Republican says somthing about Liberals thoes liberal broadcasting companies will plaster it all over the news but when Howard Dean says somthing or Ted Kennedy that wont say a word minority is ruling the majority and its getting pretty bad.

[riverman]

I have been making myself scarce lately trying to get things together to go back to school but I cannot hold my tounge any longer about these liberal morons. I have to say that I am very tired of the hypocrisy of the liberal polticians like schumer,kennedy,feinstein,lautenberg,reid and all the rest of the far left low lifes . I cannot believe the depths that these democratic slime bags will go. They are like little kids who cannot get their way and will whine,stamp their feet and hold their breaths to try and cajole America to let them have their way. They should be humilitated and ashamed of themselves for their blatant lies ,hypocrisy and outright traitorous words and actions. While I have many irons in my fire in terms of time and energy and not being a dyed in the wool Republican I will still work as elections get nearer and commit my time and energy to see to it that as long as the democrats have commited themselves to being the party of traitors I will do all I can to make sure they do not get elected or re-elected. I cannot sit by and idly watch the country I love be destroyed by these liberal/socialist low lifes. One of my true regrets is that in this country today we do not prosecute traitors much anymore. Everyone of these democrat traitors should face a firing squad.
To all the good folks here who still know the definition and value of patriotism and the difference between right and wrong I sincerely hope that you will all work to save this country from the grip of the liberal/socialist/progressive menace that is seriously threating the very fabric of what this country was and is. These traitors must be stopped.
stay well all.riverman

[idontcarewhatuthink]

Thats pretty scary if you think about it. That they (liberals) are so twisted that it would go like that. I think that dean should step down for being an ass anyhow.

BTW, Durbin did not apologize for his comments, he apologized if his comments offended someone.

[Republican_Anthem]

this is complete and utter bullsh*t...

and they say they want to protect the constitution and bill of rights...

they only protect it for themselves

[FightinDaMan]

Now this is just me, but I don't know who he's referring to. I'm pretty sure that Congress supported the war in Afghanistan nearly unanimously. That includes Democrats.

[owl_the_beatnik]

How many people died in Gitmo? One less then Ted Kennedy killed.

[The anti liberal]

Didn't Rove say LIBERALS and not democrats? If so, he wasn't singling out a certain political party, he was singling out people with liberal views who thought about 9/11 just what he said about them. Why should the democrats be mad, he did not refer to them.

[The anti liberal]

This is off the topic, But im not sure where else to ask this: is NEO still a member?

[Wadi66]

anytime you want to check who is a member, go up to member list and check there. We have a NeoCon7800 but he only made 8 posts.

[Count Rugen]

It's pretty dumb for any democrats to call for Rove's ouster as a result of those statements. I think what he said is pretty true about the fringe left, but, the way he said it was a masterful use of his number one tactic: fear.

Now, come 2006, every republican will be campaigning on this. The democrats want to give the terrorists the key to the city. The democrats want you to force your daughters to marry Osama Bin Ladin. It feeds on the ignorance found in so many of the conservative right. You guys are easier to rile up than a blind dog in heat.

[HOKIEHUNTER]

yes and every republican will be a rich, white, intolerant, christian, war-mongering biggot to the left. what group was so forceful behind the 9/11 commission? what group wanted to protect john walker lindh? Rove was dead on.

i'm not a republican because I love everything they're about, I'm a republican b/c i hate the democratic party and it's mindless selfish liberals.

[IHL]

You guys are easier to rile up than a blind dog in heat. Well Count, we don't say much when we are constantly attacked by the Left. Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Dick Durbin, Pelosi, they all do in on a constant basis. But let Karl Rove give a text book definition of liberals, and all the stars come out. Hillary Clinton, John Kerry - they all come out of the woodwork to call for Rove's resignation. They are a joke. So I would have to say it's your side that gets riled up. We are used to getting bashed by liberals leaders and liberal news agencies.
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[owl_the_beatnik]

Did anyone hear Pataki attack Hillary yesterday? I am looking for a download, I hear it on Hannity on the radio.

[Count Rugen]

Well Count, we don't say much when we are constantly attacked by the Left. Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Dick Durbin, Pelosi, they all do in on a constant basis. But let Karl Rove give a text book definition of liberals, and all the stars come out. Hillary Clinton, John Kerry - they all come out of the woodwork to call for Rove's resignation. They are a joke. So I would have to say it's your side that gets riled up. We are used to getting bashed by liberals leaders and liberal news agencies.
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Republicans don't say anything because they are the party of power. The democrats have to speak loudly because that's the only way they can be heard. And, as I said above, I think it's ridiculous that Democrats are calling for Rove's ouster. It's a tactic that the minority party uses: find any reason to call for a member of the majority to resign.

That said, I will defend my comments on the party that I believe is easier to rile up. I think this last election was very contentious. Most people that pulled a lever pulled it with a veracity this country hasn't seen in a while. Both campaigns, while strikingly similar, had one major difference. President Bush stayed on message better and has a character assasin, in the form of Karl Rove, that would have even Darth Vader running for the hills. At every turn Americans were told that if they voted for Kerry Osama Bin Ladin would soon be the real President of this country (obviously I'm using hyperbole, but I think you get the point). That caused the angrier of the two parties to be out in force on election day therefore ensuring a Bush victory.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[IHL]

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Well, we all need something to believe in. :icon_mrgr

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

So, when the Dems spew garbage out of their mouths it's considered to be making themselves heard.

Doesn't matter how short on facts it is, it's justified because they're the minority.


That's a reach comming from you count. You speak of the character assasin that is Rove, but you pass on Moveon.org, The Media Fund, People for the American Way, George Soros, Michael Moore.

You too, are being intellectually dishonest.

[IHL]

Here is another point... John Kerry and the Hilldebeast claim they are centrists. Hillary has been trying to reinvest herself (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Hillary%20Meter.htm) as much more moderate, much more to the center and not a liberal. Kerry tried to run from his liberal voting record when running for president, yet who were the first people to be incensed when Karl Rove made is remarks?

Hmmm. I guess Karl Rove pulled them out from hiding and they didn't even realize it. The guy is a genius. The reason liberals hate him, is because he isn't on their side.

[FightinDaMan]

The left ing double standard is nothing new. And the fact that the republicans went along with the amnesia they got with their guys saying the worst of stuff makes me incredibly angry. They should be calling for Dick Turbin to resign! THe comments he made hurt all those who have loved ones or who are in Iraq, and disgraced our military! Our foreign policy is not an embarrasment, and embarrasment is our own senators slamming ou rmilitary, the very people who risk their asses daily so those ====holes have the freedom to say such lies!

Both sides have a double standard. The Dems think it's okay to attack Republicans, the Republicans think it's okay to attack Democrats. No Republicans are calling for Rove's resignation, no Democrats are calling for Durbin's resignation. These people are POLITICIANS, integrity and principle are foreign to them. You bash the Democrats for not holding their own party up to the same standards as they hold the Republicans too, when the Republicans are just as guilty of doing the same thing.

[teens4bush]

Well Count, we don't say much when we are constantly attacked by the Left. Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Dick Durbin, Pelosi, they all do in on a constant basis. But let Karl Rove give a text book definition of liberals, and all the stars come out. Hillary Clinton, John Kerry - they all come out of the woodwork to call for Rove's resignation. They are a joke. So I would have to say it's your side that gets riled up. We are used to getting bashed by liberals leaders and liberal news agencies.
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Don't forget Democratic Senator Robert KKK Byrd calling republicans Nazis.

[FreedomFirst]

Both sides have a double standard. The Dems think it's okay to attack Republicans, the Republicans think it's okay to attack Democrats. No Republicans are calling for Rove's resignation, no Democrats are calling for Durbin's resignation. These people are POLITICIANS, integrity and principle are foreign to them. You bash the Democrats for not holding their own party up to the same standards as they hold the Republicans too, when the Republicans are just as guilty of doing the same thing.

Well said. Childishness is rampant on both sides.

BUt when I say childishness I am talking about name calling. WHich the democrats so love to do. Rove did not call anyone names. He stated facts. His opinion. Which in no way was slander or childish behavior.

Now the whole bickering between dean and cheney... wheres the rattle?

[owl_the_beatnik]

Always remember the Republicans always make Boxer cry. The Republicans are truely evil :icon_roll

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

Both sides have a double standard. The Dems think it's okay to attack Republicans, the Republicans think it's okay to attack Democrats. No Republicans are calling for Rove's resignation, no Democrats are calling for Durbin's resignation

How many republicans called for Durbin's resignation, or Dean's for that matter?

[Count Rugen]

How many republicans called for Durbin's resignation, or Dean's for that matter?
They don't call for their resignation because they have nothing to gain from a resignation. They don't want Dean to quit, they want a boogeyman that they can rally the troops against. They don't want Sen. Clinton to apologize about Durbin they want to be able to ask Sen. Clinton to apologize about Durbin. It's politics, not issues and it's very boring.

[Wadi66]

Republicans don't say anything because they are the party of power. The democrats have to speak loudly because that's the only way they can be heard.In your adult lifespan that's the scenerio you see. Fact is until 1994 Democrats had sysematically walked all over Republicans without Republicans adequately defending themselves. Democrats speak loudly to be heard? That's a laugh. They speak loudly (actually its more of a shrill) because thats SOP (standard operating procedure). Even when THEY were in power their shrill could be heard over every little objection Republicans ever posed. Count stop trying to justify their childish behavior. You talk about Republicans using the fear factor as if its a new invention. What disturbs Democrats most is that since 1994, Republicans have been using more and more Democrat tactics. Republicans still don't hold the line as they should, but they're tons better than they were 20 years ago. I think Newt had something to do with that. He has his flaws, but he rallied them together and held fast.

It's a tactic that the minority party uses: find any reason to call for a member of the majority to resign.In the world of politics the tactic of calling for someones resignation over such insignificant items is pretty new. In other words, in the past, the minority party hasn't taken that approach. Perhaps that's because in the past Republicans have been the minority party. Individually and collectively their maturity and character has been a notch above Democrats.

President Bush stayed on message better and has a character assasin, in the form of Karl Rove, that would have even Darth Vader running for the hills.It helps that Rove had such an easy target. There is little Kerry can be praised for and much he can be condemned for.

That caused the angrier of the two parties to be out in force on election day therefore ensuring a Bush victory.You underestimate the intelligence of voters.