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IHL
06-21-2005, 10:10 PM
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I've said it before and I'm sure I'll have to say it again someday, but try as I might I just can't figure out those liberals. We all know the wheels have been falling off the liberal cart for a long time. Even they must be able to get a clue after nearly a decade of losing elections. And just as I think it might be time for concern because the liberal leadership might finally be getting a clue, they allay my fears with people the likes of Howie Dean and Dick Durbin.

For those that don't know or may not have heard, Dick Durbin, the number two leading Democrat, shared his opinion of the U.S. and specifically the United States military last week by comparing them to Nazis, the KGB, the Russia gulags, and Pol Pot. Quoted from and FBI agents report describing detainees at Guantanamo, Durbin said the following:


If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime—Pol Pot or others—that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Not much gray area there. Durbin compared Americans to Nazis, Soviet gulags and Pol Pot. To appreciate the words of Durbin, let's take a brief history lesson.

Pol Pot (http://www.time.com/time/daily/polpot/1.html) was a tyrant whose regime claimed more than 1 million lives (some estimates are over 2 million lives) in the mid 1970s in Cambodia. He did this via execution, starvation and disease.

It is estimated that over 50 million people died in the Soviet gulags (http://www.videofact.com/english/gulags.htm) in the 20 years following the 1930s. Gulags are prison camps for political prisoners - concentration camps or to put it bluntly, death camps.

And most people are familiar with Nazi Germany (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi_police_state.htm) and the atrocities toward the Jews and others.

So this is the way that another leading Democrat views our soldiers and our military. Why does Durbin compare our American forces with Pol Pot, the gulags and Nazi death camps? Well let's use Durbin's own words...

On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor. Oh my God! Rap music! These prisoners had to endure rap music! Oh the humanity! Why, this is indeed an outrage. Call the ACLU, call Rosie O'Donnell, call Sean Penn but for God's sake please call someone.

Fortunately, the Democrat leadership engages their mouths and speaks their mind before the damage control police can stop them. They seem to think in order to "correct" their position they can simply issue an apology (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050621/ap_on_go_co/guantanamo_durbin_3). So Durbin goes out and makes a "heartfelt apology". Well does this sound like an apology? "Some may believe that my remarks crossed the line," the Illinois Democrat said. "To them I extend my heartfelt apologies." Some may think? Some? Obviously not him. He didn't say he believes his remarks crossed the line. He doesn't think comparing our soldiers to tyrants crosses the line. No, this apology only went out to "some" people.

Add Durbin to list list of liberals morons who doesn't have a clue. Durbin had the nerve to say that he thinks the American soldiers are "the best", and that he "never, never, intended any disrespect for them". Pardon my French, but bullshit. Durbin spoke from the heart when he made those comparisons. So much so that Durbin initially refused to apologize stating, "This administration should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorizing torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," One problem Dicky, terrorists don't fall under the rules of the Geneva convention. We abandoned nothing. You don't throw out terms and comparisons like that without meaning it and you enforce that by refusing to apologize after thinking about it and being called on it. When the apology only comes after being ostensively forced from other, it is hollow at best and I for one don't buy it.

Peace_by_superior _power
06-22-2005, 01:32 AM
I too am from Illinois and this state is messed up dont... dont get me wrong I love where i am from, but our learers are nuts(i will be writing something on this later, but its still in the works), with the exception of Henry Hyde who is a great man(i've met him many times and he is a clean guy so the only thing they can say about him is that he is old its pretty pathetic when they do esp in a towns and districts hes not running for). Any way Chicago's mayor Richard Dalye got him to apoligize for his remarks... atleast their are some democrats that still love their country heres the exact quote "I think it's a disgrace to say that any man or woman in the military would act like that." the full artical from the chicago tribune is here: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/sns-ap-guantanamo-durbin,1,3592229.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

Topiary Lady
06-22-2005, 06:04 PM
The 'Liberal Cart' is now a wheelbarrow, and the wheel, thankfully, has a slow leak in it.

Dick Durbin is just another disgraceful liberal that will say anything, jeopardize anyone, to promote their hatred of the Bush administration. My understanding of Mr. 'Turbin's' previous commentary is that it was just a huge hit on Al Jazeera. They just ate that right up. Horray! Another American on our side, they must have been thinking.

Oh heavens, we're playing loud music to our terrorist guests? Good God, I've paid a lot of money for loud concerts over the years. Perhaps we should be charging for these concerts. It's too cold? It's too hot? Oh well pardon me, I was in Yuma, Az. yesterday afternoon at 3:00 pm and it was 115 degrees, boo-hoo. The temperature in the cells of the desert rat's at Gitmo is of no concern to me, as it does not constitute torture.

As far as I am concerned, Mr. Turbin's comments exhibited perfectly the depths to which liberals will sink to promote their perverse anti-Bush, anti-military, anti-American thinking, and his apology was just a bunch of empty babble to try and save himself from further criticism. It won't work.

Congratulations Dick Durbin. You are the newest Al Jazeera Idol! Abdula Abdul must be so proud of you.

IHL
06-22-2005, 06:28 PM
Well said TL. Yes, Turbin Durbin is the new darling of Al Jazeera. They love it when these people come out and rally against the U.S.

My question to the liberals though, is why is it always liberals that are doing it? I thought they loved America so much. Even Turbin Durbin said our military is "the best". So why would he compare them to Nazis and the gulags? Which is it? Are they the best or are they gulags? Like they say, go with your first instincts and I believe he made his true feelings known with his initial comments. I also don't believe he is sorry. Well, let me rephrase that - he is sorry alright. One of the most sorry excuses for a man that's come along in a long time. I don't believe he is apologetic.

Topiary Lady
06-22-2005, 07:21 PM
I think the explanation is simple IHL. It's loyalty to liberalism over loyalty to country. That's the choice that Durbin and his playmates will make any day of the week, even at the expense of putting our troops in danger. They want to promote their sick agenda at all cost. Either that or Michael Savage is right when he says "Liberalism is a mental disorder". I'd kind of hate to put any ideas about that into the minds of liberals though. They'd probably lay claim to special funding for themselves under the Americans With Disabilities Act if they thought they could get away with it.

Nice doggie in that picture there IHL. Is he yours? Looks like he wants a cookie real bad.

IHL
06-22-2005, 08:17 PM
No, he's not mine but I do own two of them and it seems like the perfect picture for me. It's how I feel towards the libs and also show how I have to play guard dog on this site sometimes. :)

FreedomFirst
06-23-2005, 01:50 AM
This is exactly the kind of thing I see in college everyday.

You have no idea the level of the idiocy that my "equals" portray as superior intelect. But no matter how hard you argue, no matter how much sense you make, no matter if you are right, or how wrong they are... one man against a thousand idiots is the new idiot. :icon_sad:

I may be a little off topic but this just reminds me of life in college so much. Open your mouth to stupidity, pretend it never happened, apologized if cornered, maintain aura of superiority. :icon_mad: Someone once told me that when I get into the "real world" it will be nothing like high school... boy were they wrong.

tarzan_rubberband
07-02-2005, 01:29 AM
Being from Illinois I didnt think anyone could have been dumber than Obama and Gov. Rod BagOfShit, but sighiel turban durbin beat them both for first place.

ProtestWarrior
07-10-2005, 07:17 PM
The liberals aren't trying to do what is best for America anymore. Now all that they are trying to do is mak us look like the evil party so that they don't look so bad.

Tootoo
07-14-2005, 01:07 PM
Because nothing says “free speech” quite like some intimidation from the IRS.


(CNSNews.com (http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200507/POL20050711b.shtml)) - A conservative advocacy group says it will not be intimidated by pressure from Sen. Dick Durbin’s office.

Move America Forward, a group that supports the U.S. military and wants to eject the United Nations from the United States, is currently running broadcast ads criticizing Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, for comparing U.S. troops at Guantanamo Bay to Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or mad regimes like Pol Pot’s.

“But these aren’t the faces of torturers, the ad says: “They’re the heroic men and women of the U.S. Armed Forces. They’re our sons and daughters fighting for the cause of freedom around the world. Support our troops, at MoveAmericaForward.com.”

Durbin’s office is trying to silence Move America Forward, the group says, by hinting to an Illinois newspaper (the Northwest Herald of Crystal Lake) that the Internal Revenue Service should audit Move America Forward.

Someone from Durbin’s office was quoted as telling the newspaper - in connection with Move America Forward — “Have you ever seen that H&R Block commercial where the guy leans in and says, ‘I see an audit’?”

=Northwest+Herald&archive_pubname=Northwest+Herald%0A%09%09%09]Here’s the article (http://archive.nwherald.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/nwh/archive/2005/July/02/Main/54575.xml&start=0&numPer=20&keyword=move+america+forward&sectionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F2000&enddate=12%2F31%2F2005&authorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=1&IncludeImages=1&mode=allwords&publicationSearch[) referred to above from the Northwest Herald. Apparently the issues with the IRS surround Move America Forward’s application for status as a 501(c)3 non-profit organization. Groups falling under that tax classification are prohibited from running political ads.

Of course, there’s an argument to be made for defining what a political ad is and is not. If Move America Forward’s ads don’t endorse a specific candidate can they be considered political advertising? Does public criticism of a federal politician, in the form of a televising commercial, fall under this definition?

I don’t think so. And in light of that, I think this move by Durbin is fairly thuggish.

Move America Forward is not a group I’m familiar with, but certainly they should be allowed to run advertising critical of a politician without having to suffer retaliation in the form of undue investigation into finances.