globalizing economies/weapon of peace

[MaObama]

the idea of it is to create a global dependence on all the worlds economies..So if we bombed china, or they bombed us..BOTH our economies would tank..

This seems to have made the economy of every nation, the weapon of peace..Holding the economy above all other weapons, making the economy the A-bomb, only silent..

I cant find a thing I agree with about globalizing, surrendering our national sovergnity to the globe.. lowering americas standards on human rights, of course the world wont step up to our standards , I see us stepping into the gutter, just to play globally..

What do ya'll think about this interdependence of economies?? I think its dangerous..Im very suspicious of it...feels like the new world order to me.. Feels like untimatley we lose control of everything, even our money, due to forgien investments..http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/economic.php

I think it gives alot of power to forgien nations to destroy us by attacking our economy...I am just not feeling this global stuff..It takes away our INDEPENDENCE, and replaces it with a very dangerous dependence..

[Dr. Madd]

Globalism, like the Euro is only advantaegous to those whose economies are failing.

[Isis]

We're already deep into globalization and the "One World Order" thingy. After our financial meltdown, it wasn't just our economy on the brink.

This country would die without energy and no one would have a job. The Gov't has bought up a lot of the West's lands to prevent anyone from extracting energy there..They have put the skids on Alaska, and a moratorium on the Gulf. However, China and Mexico are drilling in the Gulf and we've given Brazil $2 Billion to drill off their shores. I'm surprised that we haven't given up our oil in Alaska to the Russians. (Or have we?).

So we merrily give our money to the Saudis, Venezuela, Mexico and Canada and borrow money from China to do it.

[scarymary]

What's not to be suspicious of? Everything about globalization stinks to the high heavens. Our government is steadily eroding our ability to exist as a sovereign country.

[conservative-atheist]

The Gov't has bought up a lot of the West's lands to prevent anyone from extracting energy there..Is that the sole purpose Isis? Soley to stop energy extraction?





They have put the skids on Alaska,This is not true: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/07/obama-opens-alaska-national-petroleum-reserve.php





. . . . . and a moratorium on the Gulf.Working in the oil industry, I didn't agree with this decision, however it was only a temporary moratorium set to end in a month or so, while they do assessments on the safety of other deep water rigs.





However, China and Mexico are drilling in the Gulf. . . . .Mexico owns ~40% of the Gulf of Mexico; and as a soverign nation may drill in their portion as they see fit. They are not drilling in US waters. With respect to China, this is not correct:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/article1085129.ece





. . . . . and we've given Brazil $2 Billion to drill off their shores.This is factually incorrect Isis: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/bogus-brazilian-oil-claims/





I'm surprised that we haven't given up our oil in Alaska to the Russians. (Or have we?).I'm sure that if this were the case, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin would have informed us by now.




So we merrily give our money to the Saudis, Venezuela, Mexico and Canada and borrow money from China to do it.This is true, but neither side wants to do what it takes to get out of that situation. Too many people are making money on both sides by keeping the status quo.

[MaObama]

ISIS!!

I agree with everything you said..our nations energy is a huge concern of mine..

I didnt detail everything about globalization..Instead just touched on how i see it as weaponizing economy's everywhere

[Dr. Madd]

MaObama: If the whole worlds economy is one order, then if a country doesn't tow the line, they can be blacklisted and lose their trade.

[MaObama]

EXATLY AGAIN!!!

'' they can be blacklisted and lose their trade.'' this here is a great example of our economy being weaponized..

[Isis]

Is that the sole purpose Isis? Soley to stop energy extraction?

The land grab has been going on for years. Carter and Clinton did a lot of it too. There are dozens of bills passed sewing up land. They may call them "National Monuments" and protecting "prairie chickens", but everyone knows that the ecco-nuts don't want any mining or energy exploration done. The Gov't can't afford or even take care of what it has. How the states allow this is beyond me.


This is not true: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/07/obama-opens-alaska-national-petroleum-reserve.php

Your posting a "treehugger" article? One of the first things Obama did as President in '09 was to ban drilling in Alaska for a 180 day investigation. (I'm sure as punishment to Palin) Then he did it again after the Gulf spill, and the Gov. of Alaska is now suing the Govt. over it. Is opening up leases the same thing as drilling or is it for exploration only?


Working in the oil industry, I didn't agree with this decision, however it was only a temporary moratorium set to end in a month or so, while they do assessments on the safety of other deep water rigs. Six months. How many of the rigs have moved out never to come back again?


Mexico owns ~40% of the Gulf of Mexico; and as a soverign nation may drill in their portion as they see fit. They are not drilling in US waters. With respect to China, this is not correct:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/article1085129.ece

Yeah, Mexico owns part of the gulf and so does Cuba...

U.S. Backs $1B Loan to Mexico for Oil Drilling Despite Obama Moratorium (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/11/backs-b-loan-mexico-oil-drilling-despite-obama-moratorium/#content)

As far as Cuba goes - China is supplying the oil rig, but they may explore too. It's Spain who is going to drill with the backing of Iran.

Obama Slaps Down Cuban Oil Drilling Ban (http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-slaps-down-cuban-oil-drilling-ban)


This is factually incorrect Isis: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/bogus-brazilian-oil-claims/

LOL...you believe "Factcheck"...? (pssst...Factcheck is owned/ran?? by the Annenberg Foundation) (Obama sat on that board and the terrorist "Bill Ayers" did/does too)

Tell all your friends: FactCheck.org is useless (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/)
By Michelle Malkin

[thumbelina]

You Know The US Is Screwed, When China, Gambia, And Jordan Have Better Property Rights (http://www.businessinsider.com/world-economic-forum-property-rights-index-2010-9)

[FireDog]

^
That's interesting!

The EU is in trouble and is starting to crumble:

There has been talk of an EU bailout for Greece, or even bilateral assistance from Eurozone countries. But officials have warned that there will certainly not be any monetary support before Greece agrees to take strong action to rein in its spending and debt. And on top of that, the populations of EU countries have balked at the notion of paying for Greek government excesses.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/2970-eu-trouble-us-banks-helped-hide-government-debt

That's because they are supposed to maintain a debt of less that 6% of GDP. Where would that leave us?

President Obama's fiscal 2011 budget will generate nearly $10 trillion in cumulative budget deficits over the next 10 years, $1.2 trillion more than the administration projected, and raise the federal debt to 90 percent of the nation's economic output by 2020, the Congressional Budget Office reported Thursday.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/26/cbos-2020-vision-debt-will-rise-to-90-of-gdp/

[conservative-atheist]

The land grab has been going on for years. Carter and Clinton did a lot of it too. There are dozens of bills passed sewing up land. They may call them "National Monuments" and protecting "prairie chickens", but everyone knows that the ecco-nuts don't want any mining or energy exploration done. The Gov't can't afford or even take care of what it has. How the states allow this is beyond me.Isis, are you saying ONLY democratic presidents seize federal lands? Are you absolutely sure about that? Will a data search support that insinuation of yours?





Your posting a "treehugger" article? One of the first things Obama did as President in '09 was to ban drilling in Alaska for a 180 day investigation. (I'm sure as punishment to Palin) Then he did it again after the Gulf spill, and the Gov. of Alaska is now suing the Govt. over it. Is opening up leases the same thing as drilling or is it for exploration only?Oh man .......... punishment to Palin? the president doesn't care about Sarah Palin. Please. and just because an article is from Treehugger doesn't make it less credible. However, since you question its credibility, how about this one from the US Department of the Interior?

http://www.doi.gov/news/pressreleases/Oil-and-Gas-Lease-Sale-in-National-Petroleum-Reserve-Alaska-Protects-Sensitive-Migratory-Bird-Habitat-Offers-1-pt-8-million-acres.cfm





Six months. How many of the rigs have moved out never to come back again?I don't know. You're the one making the claim; you tell me.

But I suspect that if they had gone, we'd have already heard about it. And that you wouldn't have merely suggested it, you would have posted a link showing that they had left, never to come back.





Yeah, Mexico owns part of the gulf and so does Cuba...Yes, and cuba has a right to drill. they are a soveriegn nation, just like Mexico may drill in their waters. So long as Cuba doesn't drill in US waters, I'm OK with that.

And with respect to the US loaning Mexico money. that's not how the US Import/Export Bank works. The US Import/Export Bank loans money to US companies only so that they might have capital to build equipment to sell to foreign companies. The mexicans are going to drill in their portion of the gulf regardless. The question is, are we going to sell them the equipment, or is Norway, or some other country.





As far as Cuba goes - China is supplying the oil rig, but they may explore too. It's Spain who is going to drill with the backing of Iran.And what does the united states government have to do with a soveriegn nation deciding the destony of its own natural resources?





LOL...you believe "Factcheck"...? (pssst...Factcheck is owned/ran?? by the Annenberg Foundation) (Obama sat on that board and the terrorist "Bill Ayers" did/does too)OK, you don't like the credibility of Factcheck.org. That's fine. Will a letter from the Wall Street Jounal, and Facts from the website of the US Import/Export Bank suffice?

http://www.exim.gov/brazil/letter_to_editor_082009.cfm

http://www.exim.gov/brazil/pressrelease_082009.cfm

YOu'll find there, that it was in fact all Bush Administration appointees that approved unanimously the loans for the equipment that was eventually sold the the Brazilian Oil Company.





Michelle MalkinLOL...you believe "Michelle Malkin"...? (pssst...She's just as partisan as the Annenberg Foundation)

[conservative-atheist]

The EU is in trouble and is starting to crumbleI posted a very good article about this very topic a couple weeks back. About how the experiment of a United Europe was doomed from the start, and that the EU nations were beginning more and more to exercise their soveriegnty.

[Isis]

YO CA...originally I was responding to something Mobama posted about globalization. I have no idea how you and I have ventured off on a tit-for-tat round-about on minute details of examples. It seems my ideas and my sources don't agree much with yours. I know what I know from the sources I trust, and you have yours. Doubt we will ever trust or agree on much of anything, except I'll agree to disagree with you. Capeche?

[conservative-atheist]

Capeche?Capeche!

[Madcowhunter]

the idea of it is to create a global dependence on all the worlds economies..So if we bombed china, or they bombed us..BOTH our economies would tank..

This seems to have made the economy of every nation, the weapon of peace..Holding the economy above all other weapons, making the economy the A-bomb, only silent..

I cant find a thing I agree with about globalizing, surrendering our national sovergnity to the globe.. lowering americas standards on human rights, of course the world wont step up to our standards , I see us stepping into the gutter, just to play globally..

What do ya'll think about this interdependence of economies?? I think its dangerous..Im very suspicious of it...feels like the new world order to me.. Feels like untimatley we lose control of everything, even our money, due to forgien investments..http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/economic.php

I think it gives alot of power to forgien nations to destroy us by attacking our economy...I am just not feeling this global stuff..It takes away our INDEPENDENCE, and replaces it with a very dangerous dependence..
You should start by defining "globalization," and what it consists of. It surrenders sovereignty... how? It surrenders independence... how? What do those words even mean? It lowers our standards on human rights? How so, and what are our standards on human rights? What are human rights? We lose control of everything, our money... How so? And who is we?

[Peace_by_superior _power]

As a topic I have studied in depth, mostly in business aspects, I can say with certainty that it does in fact erode many long standing relationships between man and society. The State, as well as Religion, are going to be replaced by the supply chain. No longer will people have to rely on God nor Cesar to provide for them as things become more intertwined. Im not saying that people will just turn their heads to these long standing traditions, but they will come to mean much less. Who needs to pray for a miracle or ask their government to secure a resource when the next truck will bring what you desire for the best price?

Does it seem far-fetched? Not at all. Companies like WalMart and DHL are perfect examples why technology will allow us to meet the needs of tomorrow. Their innovate point of order inventory systems allow any good to be moved from one area to another with just a click of a mouse. As more people plug into the Internet companies will be able to exploit their needs and deliver what they desire almost immediately.

The question here is not will it happen, but what will happen when it does. This solution is by no means the end all be all to our problems. Undeveloped areas like Africa and the Middle East are certainly going to be left behind. I think that the problems with Islam and terrorism will grow exponentially as more and more the Muslim world is left behind. Can the Muslim world adapt to this changing global world or will they push back the way they have done so often? I think the answer is no they will not change and the only out come to resisting change is to die. At the same time I think they will go down swinging, but only the future will really know.

[MaObama]

Madcowhunter ..Do you know how globalization works?? Ever heard the saying ''money is the root of all evil''?

How do you think it removes our sovergnity?? IT DOES IT THROUGH OUR MONEY..

Globalization is economic/business- Just by controlling this, IT CONTROLS THE REST..

Peace by sup power..I cant tell you understand it VERY WELL!

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

Actually, the accurate quote is "The LOVE of Money is the root of all evil", money is a tool that's all. :)

Also, and please understand, I'm telling you this with all due respect and affection, MCH is probably one of the most intellegent people I've ever run into, and he has only recently graduated from high school (or is getting close to it). I don't agree with him on many things, but one thing I know is that he has an acute understanding of economics. There is very little that he doesn't grasp.

Considering all the potential Presidential Candidates of the last few election cycles, MCH is better qualified to run and hold that office at his age, Than any one of those candidates.

Peacebysuperiorpower, isn't far behind MCH either.

One thing this site has been blessed with, is people like MCH and Peace who are lightyears ahead of their current age, and bring a ridiculous degree of intellect to the mix.

Now, don't get me wrong, everyone here contributes something valueable, I'm just stunned at the level these two function at. :)

[MaObama]

agreed..I almost always agree with MDH..

I respect his perspective-I also find you intelligent :)~

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

Nah, I'm not intelligent, I just have a big mouth and always have to have the last word...... :)

[Dr. Madd]

Actually, the accurate quote is "The LOVE of Money is the root of all evil", money is a tool that's all. :)

Also, and please understand, I'm telling you this with all due respect and affection, MCH is probably one of the most intellegent people I've ever run into, and he has only recently graduated from high school (or is getting close to it). I don't agree with him on many things, but one thing I know is that he has an acute understanding of economics. There is very little that he doesn't grasp.

Considering all the potential Presidential Candidates of the last few election cycles, MCH is better qualified to run and hold that office at his age, Than any one of those candidates.

Peacebysuperiorpower, isn't far behind MCH either.

One thing this site has been blessed with, is people like MCH and Peace who are lightyears ahead of their current age, and bring a ridiculous degree of intellect to the mix.

Now, don't get me wrong, everyone here contributes something valueable, I'm just stunned at the level these two function at. :)

Exactly. Money's only value is what you can use it for.

[Dr. Madd]

As for Peace and MCH: I think they're smart chaps, but they and I do disagree a great deal ...on a great deal.

[MaObama]

well dr madd...I think your intelligent, I know you always lookiin on things, thats intelligence!!
Plus you already know alot, and you speak poetically (to me) through many of your choices of words!

[conservative-atheist]

Ever heard the saying ''money is the root of all evil''?The actual quote is: "The love of money is the root of all evil."