Is Howard Dean from Germany?

[IHL]

As reported in The Washington Times (http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050608-095942-4588r.htm), "A fictional crime drama based on the premise that the Bush administration ordered the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Washington aired this week on German state television."

Sounds a lot like a story Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee might come up with. Howard Dean once said, "I don't know. There are many theories about it. The most interesting theory that I've heard so far -- which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved -- is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now who knows what the real situation is?" Now Howard didn't come right out and say that Bush knew about the attacks and he certainly didn't say that Bush ordered the attacks, but Howard Dean most certainly wanted to float this theory out there to make sure it made the press. If Howard Dean didn't want to advance this theory, then why even bring it up? The answer is obvious - to keep this "theory" alive. And now with the help of the Germans, his wish has come true. I'm just surprised the French and/or Michael Moore didn't beat the Krauts to it.

[riverman]

IHL I am dissapointed in you calling Germans "krauts" . That type of name calling would most assuredly not be accepted for any of the federally protected species of minorities and other poor downtrodden opressed folks. I guess it's ok they are white folks right??

but it's ok because every time Howard dean opens his mouth we on the conservative side realize the hypocrisy of the liberals is in our favor.

[IHL]

Fair enough riverman. I can agree that the term is offensive and it was not directed towards Germans in general. I am actually part German myself. It was directed at those that wrote this piece about America and President Bush. They are Krauts as far as I'm concerned. I have no respect for them and don't mind admitting it.

I'm was sincere when I said I'm surprised the French didn't beat them to it because frankly, I'm a bit surprised the Germans did this. So while I don't like to resort to name calling I would say that by comparison, my comment is mild at best. For them to create a story that President Bush ordered the murder of 3000 innocent men, women, and childred is vile. So I called them Krauts. If they are more offended by my name than by their actions then that is their problem.

[riverman]

it's ok IHL I was kidding- well sort of . Not against you personally because I know in essence we are on the same side in the war against liberalism/socialism. My point is that here in America today the only "group" who is allowed to be denigrated and called names is white folks- more specifically white men. The stupidity that is political correctness has allowed men of European heritage to be the only section of America that can be trashed. This poltical correctness has in effect disallowed any and all dicsussion, criticism, and dialog on everything and anything that could open honset debate on many issues.
I guess my point when I get right down to it is that even here on this forum of conservatives political correctness has subconciously been enacted and enforced. There were two forum topics that were immediately removed because they were "touchy" subjects one on blacks and the other on jews. My outright anger at the left has come from the undeniable hypocrisy that permeates their ideology and makes duplicitous edicts on race,gender,ethnic heritage and sexuality. I am afraid of the conservative mindest being permeated and infected with this politically correct disease.
In short IHL you are a hell of an administrator - you are. You are in the unenviable position to babysit and keep the peace in an often volitale arena- politics,religion, race , gender and sex. You an all the "bouncers" here do a pretty good job of keeping a modicum of decorum so to speak but nonetheless I am still kind of baffled at the use of a derrogatory and racist term to define German folks.Hey I may be a white boy but I can get offended too! Sure like the French their politics and ideology sometimes puts them into the category of euro-trash but if someone came here using the "n" word to describe black folks or called some other "federally protected species" something other that what that species had chosen to call itself that week then all hell would have broken out. I am not trying to bust anybody's stones personally- really I am not. All I am trying to point out is that in todays ignorant politically correct climate white folks are the only folks it seems it's OK to exclude from the almighty protections of politcally correct speech- and therin lies the evil of the control of the language and the ultimate wrong- the hypocrisy.Lets not let the liberals control the language.

this is NOT a diatribe directed at IHL or anybody else in particular - just something to make people think about how liberalism and PC language codes have basically captured our way of thinking by capturing what we use daily so subconciously- our very speech and language. The first thing after a battle is won and the new empire takes over is to change the language of the conquered to the language of the conquerer. It is the first an most important phase of ensuring subserviance and obediance. You take away somebody's language and you take away their identitiy.
Terrance Mckenna- the wild man philosopher made an interesting point. He stated that "the universe is not made up of molecules or atoms or people or oceans or rocks- the universe is made of language"How we define things with words ultimately defines who we are. Those who control the language control the society and the mind of that society.
My point in this rambling and incongrous rant is that in case you have not picked up on it yet I really dislike political correctness. It is the first line of battle in ultimately changing our very civilization and morals and ethics . To usrurp and change and control the very words we use is tha most dangerous and insidious part of the liberal/socialist takeover of this country. It's not bad enough that the leftist slime that seeks to conquer America by subverting the Bill of Rights by eliminating the second ammendment now they are actively seeking control of the first ammendment.

[IHL]

You make good points riverman. I try to be consistant in how people are allowed to express themselves here. I don't want this to be known as a "hate site" but I don't want it to be entirely politically correct either. I hate political correctness. So seeing as how this is a conservative site, I try to give conservatives a bit more leway on here. This isn't Fox News - I'm not trying to be fair and balance.

I did remove a few threads that dealt strictly with hating a specific group of people because I didn't see the point. Again, this isn't a hate site regardless of the name of the site. I don't want people coming here starting threads called " I Hate <fill in the blank>" So for the sake of being consistant, I should not have used the name to describe the Germans that wrote that piece but maybe emotions took over.

[CognitiveTruth]

I'm a bit surprised the Germans did this.Though conservative compared to Europe, Germany is liberal compared to us. Remember every country you go in except dictatorships will have liberals. In Germany the liberals have so much power they have their own TV network. They have these assholes and we have Michael Moore.

[riverman]

IHL like I said it was most assuredly not a criticism of you by any means.I just wanted to point out that even good conservatives have been subjected to thinking that it's ok to use a certain set of rules for one group and a different protocol of language for another. Political correctness is the only enemy. The point being that the liberal ideology of the subversion of our very language is becoming so ingrained- so pervasive that it sometimes seems it is becoming second nature. By the defenition of saying that I do not want this to become a hate site you frame the definition of hate as one sided and only certain "groups" are off limits to any kind of criticism or rebuke. I am not referring to the juvenile name calling or incediary verbal bomb throwing but honest and open discourse and discussion about how things were, how things are, and how things should be. Poltical correctness by it's very origin and nature preclude any of the above metioned remedies that could actually help gain some ground in helping us "all get along" as Rodney King so astutely phrased it. Hate comes from limiting speech and open dialog and political correctness like Morris Dees of the SPLC always needs to foster and perpetuate hate to insure job security.
TheGermans and the French to listen to the liberal media are all good liberals and therefore superior to us ignorant bible thumping conservatives. In some aspects that is true . The media in Europe like the media here is controlled by a ceratain group of folks with a definite agenda. Witnessing the rejection of the EU recently by two European countries seems to tell another story to some extent. A deeper underlying contingent of folks who disagree with the socialization of Europe is just like here in America with conservatives left under-reported and ridiculed by those in power who seek to solidify their control of information by neglecting all opposing viewpoints. Do you not think that somebody in Rural Germany believes that the NY Times or the Boston Globular might suspect that these two very biased rags are indicative of ALL of American culture, values and politics?? Of course that assumption would be wrong. Just as wrong as believing that Europe does not have the same slimy liberal nutbag problem we have here in this country . In Germany ,France and yes even jolly old England I think you are going to be seeing a groundswell of opposition to the liberal press and ideology. No culture or country can sustain itself for long while destroying itself from the inside by socialism and liberalism. If you read back a little on twentieth century European history( and I am not claiming to be any kind of authority or expert-just a casual observer) There seems to be an ebb and flow of cultural and political differences that eventually result in some kind of extreme disturbance in the form of war that is caused by the upset of balance between political and sociological disparities.
The think that juts grabs me- that makes me sit up and notice is even scratching the outward surface of the causes of the last two world wars that came out of Europe it looks like once again history is repeating itself. Caused by those of course who choose to ignore history.
While being an eternal optimist in life and always hoping and looking for the good in people I want to ask have we as a group called the human race become so smart and educated that we think we can actually by ignoring cultural problems and using flowery language and ideals prevent history from repeating itself. Like they say the more things change the more they stay the same.

[Bumblebee]

I read everything riverman wrote, and I really liked how he looks at it all from his perspective. I agree with him.

[Douglas Adams]

first thing after a battle is won and the new empire takes over is to change the language of the conquered to the language of the conquerer


You mean like Mexico and California? Sorry, as a resident in SoCal I had to say that.

You get a good point across and I thank you for it. The republican party needs more people like you.

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

You mean like Mexico and California? Sorry, as a resident in SoCal I had to say that.



No need to apolgize for stating an obvious fact.