Silence Of The Lambaste

[Topiary Lady]

Liberals have been clear. They do not appreciate the existence of criticism by the foes of this Marxist regime - especially when it comes to the increasingly popular Glenn Beck. But we've got Rush, Hannity, Levin and others out there who all apply a passionate level of scorn for this administration. And rightfully so, if you ask me.

Beck is a special target though. Unlike Levin (love that guy) and his magnificant rants where he does some of our venting for us, Beck (love him too) has taken on the role of calculating Teacher. We've all seen the blackboard. Beck draws it all out. And he does it in a way that even the most simple thinker can understand. He is the supreme player in Connect The Dots. Best I've ever seen.

The progressives thought they had it all wrapped up in the educational system. And I'll give them credit, because they very nearly did. But in swoops Beck with his simple board and chalk in hand. It's the old way of doing things - using facts and logic. That's why the left hates him so. I say, Go Glenn Go! But Obama's best friends over at SEIU say, Silence the one who lambastes the progressive left!

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/04/a-frightened-se.html

This is what we have to look forward to under Marxist rule. It is one of their hallmarks - shut down the opposing viewpoints. Do not allow anyone to interfere in the indoctrination process, for they are a danger. Like the Tea Partiers, Beck is to be demonized. If we do not stand with him, then why should anyone stand with us? So I am going to ask all of you who care about freedom to please join me and write to all of Beck's sponsors and lend our support for him ad for their sponsorship of his programs. Not all of us can go and buy gold coins from Goldline http://www.goldline.com/d/index.html?id=563&utm_source=glennbeck.com&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=beckbanner (hey, if you can and want to then have at it), but we can still buy from other sponsors and also write to all of them and ask them to continue to advertise with Beck.

I believe that it has long been the stance of most of the members here at TheAmericanRight, that free speech needs to be preserved. We took a significant amount of viciousness through the Bush years. But most of us, although we disagreed with what was said, felt that the right to say it should be protected. It is obvious now though, that under the regime of Comrade Obama and his merry band of SEIU thugs, that this very precious right is being fitted for a pair of cement boots.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/38769/

[Aurelius]

Damn those peaceful protesters using their words to try and bring about change! Let's string'em'up! What's your point here TL? Right wing talk has been shedding sponsors because the sponsors do not want their brand attached to that type of rhetoric. Just a bit more and those content producers either have to change their business model or begin considering cancellation. You silence people or make them change their message peacefully by limiting their scope, making the majority turn away, and reducing their income.

It's totally within Fox and Beck's rights to get up there and say as much stupid as possible, but it's also within the right of SEIU people to send a message to the sponsors saying they disapprove and it will effect their purchasing decisions.

[Topiary Lady]

LOL. "Right wing talk" is a huge success. There is a REASON why Beck has excelled as he has. It's the free market that has ushered him along. People are watching and they are listening to him. That must really suck for your side.

SEIU has the right to carry on with this campaign. See, people like me will not say that they don't have the right to be heard in their opinion. It is obvious that Beck is quite the threat to Comrade Obama. He stands there day after day in front of his simple little chalkboard and maps it all out. He asks the White House to prove him wrong. But, the red phone does not ring. They cannot dispute his claims. So, what do they have left? SEIU. SEIU and trying to strong arm the advertisers into submission.


AURI: What's your point here TL? Right wing talk has been shedding sponsors because the sponsors do not want their brand attached to that type of rhetoric. Just a bit more and those content producers either have to change their business model or begin considering cancellation. You silence people or make them change their message peacefully by limiting their scope, making the majority turn away, and reducing their income.


You just made my point. Thanks.

[Aurelius]

Yes, strong arming is telling someone you don't like what they're supporting. How do you ever make it through election years in California without having a breakdown?

Don't give me that "proving your point" thing here. You fail to realize that every day we filter speech on an individual and group level. That filtering results in the silencing of speech because we've made a judgement to marginalize the speaker's message. When someone is saying something we think is wrong we attempt to educate others, sometimes dramatically with chalkboards, misleading information, and far flung theories, which also silences the opposing speaker. Any right wing talk show host can use their first amendment rights, but they're subject to the rules of our social system for the number of people they can reach and the compensation they receive for their time. This will never change.

[Topiary Lady]

Yes, strong arming is telling someone you don't like what they're supporting. How do you ever make it through election years in California without having a breakdown?

Don't give me that "proving your point" thing here. You fail to realize that every day we filter speech on an individual and group level. That filtering results in the silencing of speech because we've made a judgement to marginalize the speaker's message. When someone is saying something we think is wrong we attempt to educate others, sometimes dramatically with chalkboards, misleading information, and far flung theories, which also silences the opposing speaker. Any right wing talk show host can use their first amendment rights, but they're subject to the rules of our social system for the number of people they can reach and the compensation they receive for their time. This will never change.

Quoting the whole thing for archives.

I make it through, here in California, just fine. Can you guess why?

I don't "fail to realize" anything. You are sadly mistaken, Auri. And Beck is not mis-leading in any way. In my estimation, he is 100% correct.

Let me ask you this: If I accused you of being some sort of monster that you were not, would you answer?

[Topiary Lady]

I am in favor of Obama's free speech to tell us how great Socialism (and worse) is going to be for us.

Why the shyness? Why not just come right out and tell us how great this will all be? We have liberals here who are obviously in favor of this. And yet, they cannot seem to bring themselves to tell us how great this new world will be. I wonder why that is.

Auri, ET, Shotty, ....all have avoided the reality of talking about what Obama is creating. Why? Why not just come out and say that it's going to be great?

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

Now even black conservatives are taking heat for being outspoken agiasnt the president.



ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - They've been called Oreos, traitors and Uncle Toms, and are used to having to defend their values. Now black conservatives are really taking heat for their involvement in the mostly white tea party movement—and for having the audacity to oppose the policies of the nation's first black president.
"I've been told I hate myself. I've been called an Uncle Tom. I've been told I'm a spook at the door," said Timothy F. Johnson, chairman of the Frederick Douglass Foundation, a group of black conservatives who support free market principles and limited government.

"Black Republicans find themselves always having to prove who they are. Because the assumption is the Republican Party is for whites and the Democratic Party is for blacks," he said.

Johnson and other black conservatives say they were drawn to the tea party movement because of what they consider its commonsense fiscal values of controlled spending, less taxes and smaller government. The fact that they're black—or that most tea partyers are white—should have nothing to do with it, they say.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9ETR1380&show_article=1

[Aurelius]

Let me ask you this: If I accused you of being some sort of monster that you were not, would you answer?

No. You'll notice I don't answer a lot of things around here because they're beneath me, just like right wing rambling is beneath Obama. Sometimes you have to face the stupid, but a lot of the time engaging it is the wrong thing to do. It's been pointed out that I'm pretty civil and blah blah blah, but if I were to respond to some of the things there's no way I could. Do you think the Bush administration engaged the Truthers with anything except mocking laughter and derision?


Auri, ET, Shotty, ....all have avoided the reality of talking about what Obama is creating. Why? Why not just come out and say that it's going to be great?

You have expectations that we see a world where you crap sunshine, and the chosen political course is the optimal that will cause gold to fall from the heavens. Why address it?

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

Nah what you see Aurelius is only what you choose to see, a bunch of right winger wacko's who think obama is the great anti-christ and hell has frozen over. Thats what you think we think. When in truth we simply point out facts that is going on like government take over, of student loans, car compianies, banks, and now healthcare which means your life do you not get that? We have a goverment that can say sorry you will die your treatment is too expensive where as insurance companies you have atleast a choice to change insurance with goverment you don't. You don't realize what you have until it's gone you think these are little things or we are being paranoid so you brush it under the table and ignore us this is why you further prove that liberal really do live in their own world. If I lived like you I would have to be brain dead and on life support. We are seeing the expansion of Government so large that it hasn't been see since FDR era. I must say what scares me more than Obama are people choosing to be ignorant.

[IHL]

Do you think the Bush administration engaged the Truthers with anything except mocking laughter and derision?Fine, but do honestly believe that people who think raising taxes after promises not to, complaining about have a health care take over rammed down the throats of people who clearly don't want it, people protesting the disarming of America and socialization of America is akin to Truthers? Seriously?

[Aurelius]

Nah what you see Aurelius is only what you choose to see, a bunch of right winger wacko's who think obama is the great anti-christ and hell has frozen over.

Not at all. I think that the general Republican crowd has moved in that direction, but they're not all wackos.


Fine, but do honestly believe that people who think raising taxes after promises not to, complaining about have a health care take over rammed down the throats of people who clearly don't want it, people protesting the disarming of America and socialization of America is akin to Truthers? Seriously?

I'm sorry I was just using it as an extreme example that could easily be agreed with. There are plenty of outlandish things written around here all of the time that do not necessarily make the writer an outlandish person.

[Topiary Lady]

The things that are written about Obama and Co. here on this site, are most often backed by fact. Often times, we even back things up by the very words of The Obamessiah and his pals. And yet, you (Auri) and those like you, still deny the obvious.

It's no more than a question of WHY? What's wrong with a little Marxism now and then? Why not just promote it?

Why it is outlandish to point out the facts? Why not embrace reality and instead of denying that Obama is a Marxist, just go ahead and sing the praises of his special sort of change?

[LiveandLetLive]

and now healthcare which means your life do you not get that? We have a goverment that can say sorry you will die your treatment is too expensive where as insurance companies you have atleast a choice to change insurance with goverment you don't. .

But thats not what is happening - its all just speculation on what might happen sometime in the future, which would require an updated bill that would need to be voted on by congress. There is nothing in the bill that passed that has government taking over healthcare in any way, shape or form. Yes, there are more regulations, but it is still in the hands of private insurance....take 3 minutes and look at health insurance sticks since the bill passed. Nothing substantial occurs in this bill until 2014 and then it is still in the hands of the states to set up health insurance exchanges through private insurance companies.

Lets go through this line by line and year by year and tell me how the federal government is taking over healthcare?

2010:
1) Insurance companies can no longer deny coverage to children with pre-existing conditions - you go tell the parents of a kid with leukemia they dont deserve health incurance becasue it isnt cost effective...
2) kids can stay on their parents plan until they are 26 - this helps lower the claims of everyone by allowing more younger people to be covered. This isnt paid by the government but by the family and is your choice
3) Plugs the $250 medicare gap
4) Tax on tanning - is this racist? i dont know, maybe it is, maybe it isnt
5) Small business will receive a tax credit for providing health insurance to their employees - i thought lower taxes on small business was a good thing? Especially for those that care about the health of their employees?

2011:
1) Some new fees on drug makers to help pay for later changes - Rx companies have profit margins close to 20% while health insurance companies are closer to 2-3%.
2) Some additional discounting of rx for seniors - Oh no, taking care of our elderly - thats anti-capitalistic....if they cant take care of themselves, f*ck them right?

2012 - nothing significant

2013:
1) Some additional medicare taxes on those earning more than $200,000 a year. While this is an additional tax on the rich, I wouldnt call it government takeover
2) Insurance companies can no longer different price based on gender - tell me why you disagree with this?
3) test system to base medicare payments on quaility rather than quantity - private insurance is doing this as well - why not bring medicare up-to-date?

2014:
1) State Insurance exchanges will be established for individuals who's employer does not offer insurance. This is simply something that should have been done years ago. By pooling a whole group into the same exchange you can spread the risk and allow small business employees to receive the same risk sharing benefits as employees of large companies. These are run by insurance companies, who can compete against eachother and can set their own rates. There will be some subsidizing for lower income folks. however, low income people who do not have health insurance currently are already a burden on the system for a variety of reasons, by getting these millions of people into the insurance system, it theoretically will lower everyones costs.
2) Small expansion of medicare
3) Mandated Insurance - there is a possibility of a fine if you dont buy into one of these exchanges. I dont agree with this and my guess is this aspect will be repealed....but we have 4 years until it goes into effect - so the world isnt going to end anytime soon!

2015 forward:
1) Really nothing too important - some excise taxes on cadilac plans - needs to be a policy valued at $27,500 or more for a family - so very, very few people would be affected.
2) Employees of large companies can buy into exchanges if they so choose - but again, its run by insurance companies who can compete and set their own rates.

Now someone please tell me how this means the government is taking over the entire healthcare system in America?

[Dr. Madd]

Damn those peaceful protesters using their words to try and bring about change! Let's string'em'up! What's your point here TL? Right wing talk has been shedding sponsors because the sponsors do not want their brand attached to that type of rhetoric. Just a bit more and those content producers either have to change their business model or begin considering cancellation. You silence people or make them change their message peacefully by limiting their scope, making the majority turn away, and reducing their income.

It's totally within Fox and Beck's rights to get up there and say as much stupid as possible, but it's also within the right of SEIU people to send a message to the sponsors saying they disapprove and it will effect their purchasing decisions.

If you like peaceful protesters, why condemn the tea partiers? While you're at it, why condemn Glenn Beck? He's peaceful. He's just right. That's why your side despises.

[Dr. Madd]

But thats not what is happening - its all just speculation on what might happen sometime in the future, which would require an updated bill that would need to be voted on by congress. There is nothing in the bill that passed that has government taking over healthcare in any way, shape or form. Yes, there are more regulations, but it is still in the hands of private insurance....take 3 minutes and look at health insurance sticks since the bill passed. Nothing substantial occurs in this bill until 2014 and then it is still in the hands of the states to set up health insurance exchanges through private insurance companies.

Lets go through this line by line and year by year and tell me how the federal government is taking over healthcare?

2010:
1) Insurance companies can no longer deny coverage to children with pre-existing conditions - you go tell the parents of a kid with leukemia they dont deserve health incurance becasue it isnt cost effective...
2) kids can stay on their parents plan until they are 26 - this helps lower the claims of everyone by allowing more younger people to be covered. This isnt paid by the government but by the family and is your choice
3) Plugs the $250 medicare gap
4) Tax on tanning - is this racist? i dont know, maybe it is, maybe it isnt
5) Small business will receive a tax credit for providing health insurance to their employees - i thought lower taxes on small business was a good thing? Especially for those that care about the health of their employees?

2011:
1) Some new fees on drug makers to help pay for later changes - Rx companies have profit margins close to 20% while health insurance companies are closer to 2-3%.
2) Some additional discounting of rx for seniors - Oh no, taking care of our elderly - thats anti-capitalistic....if they cant take care of themselves, f*ck them right?

2012 - nothing significant

2013:
1) Some additional medicare taxes on those earning more than $200,000 a year. While this is an additional tax on the rich, I wouldnt call it government takeover
2) Insurance companies can no longer different price based on gender - tell me why you disagree with this?
3) test system to base medicare payments on quaility rather than quantity - private insurance is doing this as well - why not bring medicare up-to-date?

2014:
1) State Insurance exchanges will be established for individuals who's employer does not offer insurance. This is simply something that should have been done years ago. By pooling a whole group into the same exchange you can spread the risk and allow small business employees to receive the same risk sharing benefits as employees of large companies. These are run by insurance companies, who can compete against eachother and can set their own rates. There will be some subsidizing for lower income folks. however, low income people who do not have health insurance currently are already a burden on the system for a variety of reasons, by getting these millions of people into the insurance system, it theoretically will lower everyones costs.
2) Small expansion of medicare
3) Mandated Insurance - there is a possibility of a fine if you dont buy into one of these exchanges. I dont agree with this and my guess is this aspect will be repealed....but we have 4 years until it goes into effect - so the world isnt going to end anytime soon!

2015 forward:
1) Really nothing too important - some excise taxes on cadilac plans - needs to be a policy valued at $27,500 or more for a family - so very, very few people would be affected.
2) Employees of large companies can buy into exchanges if they so choose - but again, its run by insurance companies who can compete and set their own rates.

Now someone please tell me how this means the government is taking over the entire healthcare system in America?

You must have both contacts in the same eye if you cannot see that the government orchestrated the situation that they claim this is for. The Gov't is the number one state sponsor of poverty. The left's economic policies cause poverty and unemployment, and they seek to use that to consolidate their own power. Never before was liberty outraged with such violence! Never before was the American people's divine right to rule abolished with such bald-faced hypocrisy! If this is so good, why did Congress and the President opt not to op in? What makes them think they are better than us?

[LiveandLetLive]

You must have both contacts in the same eye if you cannot see that the government orchestrated the situation that they claim this is for. The Gov't is the number one state sponsor of poverty. The left's economic policies cause poverty and unemployment, and they seek to use that to consolidate their own power. Never before was liberty outraged with such violence! Never before was the American people's divine right to rule abolished with such bald-faced hypocrisy! If this is so good, why did Congress and the President opt not to op in? What makes them think they are better than us?

As suspected - rather than actually discussing the bill that was passed like an intelligent person you say this.

[Dr. Madd]

Now even black conservatives are taking heat for being outspoken agiasnt the president.




http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9ETR1380&show_article=1

The biggest Uncle Tom of them all, the biggest traitor to his race? Barack Hussein Obama! He has sided with liberals who are convinced that Black people cannot get jobs without government help, cannot work for themselves. Indeed the left has the black community numbered for the bottom of society. They encourage these oppressed people to kill their own babies with easy to get abortions. This is worse than Hitler, because Hitler never managed to convinced the Jews to kill themselves. Obama and his marxist puppeteers have done JUST that.

Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it.
Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965


Usually when people are sad, they don't do anything. They just cry over their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about a change.
Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965
- More quotations on: [Anger]

Which will it be, Black America?

The man who told you to stand on your own two feet, or Mr. Obama, who tells you you cannot?

Your race's future and wellbeing is in your hands.

[LiveandLetLive]

You must have both contacts in the same eye if you cannot see that the government orchestrated the situation that they claim this is for. The Gov't is the number one state sponsor of poverty. The left's economic policies cause poverty and unemployment, and they seek to use that to consolidate their own power. Never before was liberty outraged with such violence! Never before was the American people's divine right to rule abolished with such bald-faced hypocrisy! If this is so good, why did Congress and the President opt not to op in? What makes them think they are better than us?

And your wrong anyway...

First of all, no one is being forced to join in on the insurance exchange - you can buy your own individual policy, you can get it through your employer, or purchase through the exchange through private insurance companies who can set their own rates and compete...this simply sets up an lage pool to spread risk. I dont think the mandate is correct, but members of congress are subject to the same mandate effective in 2014, and actually its 100% opposite of what you said. members of Congress are required to buy theirs through the exchange....

http://mediamatters.org/research/201003250022

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

Ltd, I don't know if your naive or ignorant.....this idea has been tried in Britain, and it failed. In France, it failed, in Canada...failed, Ireland, Portugal, Greece. .........failed.....

The US tried Medicare...its failed, Social Security......failed...what ==== makes you think that it work this time?

[LiveandLetLive]

Ltd, I don't know if your naive or ignorant.....this idea has been tried in Britain, and it failed. In France, it failed, in Canada...failed, Ireland, Portugal, Greece. .........failed.....

The US tried Medicare...its failed, Social Security......failed...what ==== makes you think that it work this time?

The systems in britian, france, etc are night and day compared to the spefics of this bill - they are completely different programs....not even a comparison.

How has medicare completely failed? Would you be happy if we had no medicare at all? yes, its in the red....but would you prefer to have all ex-military and elderly having to fend for themselves? We would have cities full of thousands of sick and dying old folks laying all over the place. Id rather have medicare in the red year over year then have the alternative. But hey, thats just me.

Still, no one has actually debated the specifics of the bill....Ill be waiting.

[Topiary Lady]

LtS, we've already been through this many times. They are building a structure to eliminate private insurance. We've got all the admissions and we've all seen the evidence posted here to this very site to back up the claims. You only make yourself look silly by this continual denial. You don't suppose that there was any particular REASON why the more radical elements of this bill will not be phased until after 2012, do you? Think real hard now.

This thread is about SEIU and the silencing of Glenn Beck. Remember, SEIU is Chairman Obama's BFF. This is the Obama administration trying to silence someone who has a knack for exposing the truth about what is happening in our country. Beck has begged them to contact him and tell him where he is wrong. However, the administration really doesn't have anything to say in their defense. In fact, I believe that the only time they corrected Beck was after he said that someone was a "Czar" and the WH corrected him and said that the person was not a Czar, and was only an advisor to the president.

Although Beck has not said it dirctly, he has alluded many times to the fact that he's been under a number of threats because of what he is doing. Not just threats of being yanked off the air, but actual physical threats. It tells me a lot that he continues on anyway. His concern is deep and it is very real - and the same is true for his viewers.

Bottom line is that this is the administration trying to silence someone who continually uncovers deception and more and more of Obama's radical ties. And in keeping up with liberal tradition, they try and silence someone by turning around and labeling THEM the "radical".

Obama steps down and pushes harder when opposition comes, so I say that Beck and everyone else who actually gives a darn about liberty in America should do the same. If liberals want to just lay down while Obama rapes them of their freedom, then that's their business. Go ahead and try and enjoy it. The rest of us will continue to fight it off.

[LiveandLetLive]

LtS, we've already been through this many times. They are building a structure to eliminate private insurance. We've got all the admissions and we've all seen the evidence posted here to this very site to back up the claims. You only make yourself look silly by this continual denial. You don't suppose that there was any particular REASON why the more radical elements of this bill will not be phased until after 2012, do you? Think real hard now.
.

You make yourself look silly on virtually every post you make about this - since you obvioulsy are too ignorant on the bill to be able to discuss the specifics. I dont care what you feel peoples hidden intentions are - the important thing is what actually has passed and what actually is law....which no one on this site will discuss without throwing out a bunch of conspiracy theories about what might or might not happen in a decade. Lets deal with reality rather than speculation.

[Topiary Lady]

Again, this is a thread about Glenn Beck. Comprendo, little man?

Now run along and go post your denials in a thread that is actually about the coming destruction of our health care system. I'm pretty sure that you can find a couple of them. You know, the ones where we've got the statements of Obama and his minions about how this bill is only the first step towards single-payer. Let's deal in reality rather than live in denial.

[scarymary]

There have been several congressmen who have openly admitted that this bill most definitely the first step in completing the government takeover of health care............there is nothing in the bill to debate when they openly admit what it is. But, not Obama...........he would rather deceive the people and have them believe that everything will be just like before when anyone with half a brain knows this is going to create rationing of health care. When there is already a shortage of doctors in this nation, you simply cannot throw 30 million or more people into a government subsidized health care program and not expect there to be rationing and long wait times to even see a doctor. And where is the incentive for anyone to even want to become a doctor or health care provider when the government is going to be calling all the shots? Why would anyone want to go in debt 100s of thousands of dollars to become a doctor if they are not going to be reimbursed adequately for the time and effort they put forward for several years just to get shafted by our imperial federal government? There is no incentive. This is quite frankly beyond the shadow of a doubt the most rogue government I have ever seen in my lifetime, but you guys in la la land can continue believing everything is A OK until the final blow is dealt. Maybe no one will say I told you so.

[Topiary Lady]

For LtS, this is about personal wealth. If it puts money in his pocket right now, then he's for it. He doesn't give two shits if it means the selling out of liberty and violating the Constitution. Show him the money and it's all good. But that's okay. He's the one with the little kiddies. If daddy wants to sell out his kids' freedom for a few extra bucks, then that's on him. It's all about priorities.

I am guessing that he's got no problem with Obama and SEIU trying to silence people like Beck, either. So long as we're not talking about damaging LtS's personal wealth, then it's all good. That's how this sort of person operates. I've got plenty of people in my own family who are just like that. It's truly a sad thing to see. Total lack of understanding of what is and what is not truly important in life.

Glenn Beck believes everything that he says on his shows. I believe the man genuinely fears for this country. He is driven by standards, and I admire him for that. It's really where we all need to be right now. No backing down.