Explanations, Arguments and Debates

[Topiary Lady]

The majority of TAR members have been here for some time. We've been here through the shifts of the political tides. For those who have stuck it out no matter what, thanks! Whatever side you're on, if you're still coming here and posting your true thoughts and opinions, then I congratulate you. At least you were among the willing to stick to your guns - even if guns scare you (liberals ...ha ha ha).

I love looking back at the activity and posts on this site. TAR is it's own history book, in some ways. It's a study in human behavior, thought, and perserverance. It's also a study in the ways that people fight - and also a study in how people flee - and all of the reasons for these things.

This is a good place - our little political playground. If we pay attention, then we learn. We learn much MUCH more than we would from any other media source. Here, we have honest debate. We enjoy the little arguments, and yet still remain in good spirit. We look for explanations from the other side so that we can learn about who they are and why they think as they do.

I'll be honest here - I get really pissed at the left. I mean REALLY pissed. But for anyone on that dark side of the moon who has continued to come here and post, I swear that I've really got to give you credit. not credit for being right, of course. But I can't help but look back at all of the posts from this site and see how everything has panned out and give credit to people like Auri and Poly who still have the guts to come and post here. Not that I agree with you guys at all. But I will give you credit for endurance.

Hope you guys stick around. I'm sure that many people here will be looking forward to your explanations of how great Obama has been for the United States Of America. I know that I'm waiting to hear all about this.

[tvcasualty]

From my very short time on this website I can say that left and right may not be as simple as black and white. Every issue of our time has been completely polarized. This type of polarization leaves no room for real debate. Being “correct” on a political issue may be seen as no more then a summary of ones own life experiences that have shown an avenue of single minded thinking. In other words I feel that to expand ones own mind, one must engage in open debate and break the mold.

I have my own opinions on some of the policies of this website, but I will not challenge them, as it’s not my webpage. That being said, I feel it should be a goal of anyone who wants to engage in any debate for the course of knowledge to strive to de-polarize the issue at hand. I debate on here not so much to win, but more to learn.

I believe the view of “left” or “right” perhaps falls on random chances of life experiences rather then well formed facts supported by a strong consensus of reason. Perhaps this sense of reason that is derived from our own logic is our own undoing, as in my opinion logic with out principle is the lack of humanity.

I feel it is hard to say whether any debate is a rational of principle when the idea is so polarized. To find a conclusion one must aim through the surface context and find the underlying idea of each argument. In my opinion only the underlying principle is what is really important and I welcome the opposition of my thoughts.

Contra points of view enrich our own understanding of the lessons that life teaches. To be able to openly discuss points of the constitution, capitalism, economics, socialism, underlying evils, and all other ventures of political life is true freedom in the American spirit.

[Dr. Madd]

My opinion, is that only a leader ordained by God has the right to rule and no such person exists at the present time, therefore, there should be no one ruling anyone or leading anyone or having any power over anyone else.

[conservativecanadian]

thier inlies the problem, how does one define another person as being ordained by god

[scarymary]

We don't live in medieval times, Madd. You are in the wrong era. And frankly, I believe there are few people here who would want to live under the thumb of someone simply because they are "ordained by God" as you put it.

[scarymary]

Yes, TL.....you are right. You gotta respect the fact that Poly and Auri still come here to engage with conservatives on the issues particularly when they know that most of those here don't agree with their views. It is very admirable of them to do so.

[biggie67uga]

My opinion, is that only a leader ordained by God has the right to rule and no such person exists at the present time, therefore, there should be no one ruling anyone or leading anyone or having any power over anyone else.

Ordained by God? Give me a break. Wrong era, wrong time, wrong.

Why not just someone who at least recognizes and respects God.

[Dr. Madd]

Because anyone can claim to recognize and respect God. I want someone who God ordains.

[Rob]

LOL, that sounds a lot like something the Ayatollah would say...

[FKLBRLS]

I admit I haven't been posting here nearly as often as I used to be. Some stuff has happened recently that has sorta shifted my priorities. Now, I'm a lot less politically active than I used to be. On the surface, I think I've become so disillusioned with our political scene in general that I'm now apathetic towards it, more or less. There's so much wrong with this country, and almost all of it seems impossible to do anything about. We have little control over the direction of our own lives, much less the direction of the entire country in which we live. 95% of life is reacting to things we can't control anyway, so instead of trying to shape the future to fit ourselves, all we can really do is adapt for the future.

Am I giving up? No, I don't think so. I still like to be informed, and to know the truth. I have many firm convictions as to what I believe is right for this nation. But I have little optimism that our country will change for the better. Right now, the best we can do is know what should be, and remember what once was.

On top of this, like I said, I have my own issues closer to home to deal with. What happens in Washington may have great ramifications for all of us, but the things I'm currently dwelling on have little to do with any of that. There's enough going on in our everyday lives that matters a great deal more than what the bureaucrats and politicians say and do.

And so, while I will continue to post, and become informed, I will no longer consider political matters to be as high a priority as I once considered them to be. The passionate idealism of my past is now the wistful cynicism of the present. Again, this is not "giving up." I have realized that there is much in life, good AND bad, that is forever beyond the reach of Washington. Might as well focus on the things that really matter.

[Dr. Madd]

LOL, that sounds a lot like something the Ayatollah would say...

But who said he was god ordained?

[biggie67uga]

Soooo you want Jesus or an angel? Because that would be about it. Remember, man is not perfect. And I'm about realistic solutions to our problems not absurd requests for men ordained by God to lead us.

"If men were angels, no government would be necessary." ~Federalist 51

[Dr. Madd]

I want Someone whose leadership is the will of God. I want no one who is not in God's will.

[scarymary]

And just exactly how do you know that it isn't God's will that we should have the president we presently have? Perhaps this is a test of sorts that was designed to determine our strength and faith. And who would be qualified to make that judgment? Would that be the representatives we currently have in the halls of congress? Or would it be someone from some type of religious hierarchy?

[Dr. Madd]

And just exactly how do you know that it isn't God's will that we should have the president we presently have? Perhaps this is a test of sorts that was designed to determine our strength and faith. And who would be qualified to make that judgment? Would that be the representatives we currently have in the halls of congress? Or would it be someone from some type of religious hierarchy?

I want a leader whose polices do not clash with my religious beliefs.

[Aurelius]

This thread is going places.

[RightisRightLeftisWrong]

yeah straight to Jedi Jesus.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/26/91840311_4a240bd696.jpg?v=0

[Topiary Lady]

This thread is going places.

I wish it would. I still can't get a reasoned explanation from any liberal that I know as to why they would still support Barack Hussein Obama - even after what we've seen from him so far.

Our country is headed straight down the sh*tter with this man in charge.

[scarymary]

Okie dokie............we'll all get right on that one. I'm sure everyone here would be willing to compromise and vote for someone they know won't conflict with your religious beliefs........but what about the other 308,646,500 people who have a vote as well?

[Topiary Lady]

Why not just someone who at least recognizes and respects God.

At least President Bush had that going for him. I have my issues with GW, but I surely did not see anything like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sy9kMxOEVs coming from him.

Let's see him mock the Koran in the same manner. He won't do it. Why?