Islamists In The Military

[Topiary Lady]

I would like to know if having Islamists in our military is a concern of our TAR members. In particular, I would like to hear from our more liberal member.

Auri? Poly? Does this concern you? You are the only two lib's who apparently have the guts to still post here. The others only lurk.

[Dr. Madd]

It concerns me much as having Nazi sympathizers would people in WW2.

[scarymary]

It is definitely a concern to me. And especially when the military seemed to ignore all the signs that Hasan had issues with the war effort. If they were, in fact, investigating him, why didn't they take action when they knew he had said some things that could be construed as threatening? Has our military become so PC, that now they can't even protect their own?

[Rob]

For the record, an Islamist is not just a follower of Islam so to make sure nobody misinterprets the question...

Islamism is a set of ideologies holding that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system; that modern Muslims must return to their roots of their religion, and unite politically.

I'm sure this worries liberals no more than having a self-proclaimed communist in the White House.

[GERALD]

It is definitely a concern to me. And especially when the military seemed to ignore all the signs that Hasan had issues with the war effort. If they were, in fact, investigating him, why didn't they take action when they knew he had said some things that could be construed as threatening? Has our military become so PC, that now they can't even protect their own?


"A few days before the killing spree at Fort Hood, Hasan proved his premeditated intentions by giving away all his belongings
(including his Qurans) to his neighbors, saying he no longer would need them and adding, "I'm ready." " Chuck Norris

"Hasan also reportedly stirred up
other Muslims in the U S military.
If found guilty, he must be executed.
We must not be concerned with
making him a martyr. If he becomes
a martyr, that is better than having
him teach fellow prisoners to become
martyrs." Gerald

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[conservativecanadian]

islamists in the military is an issue, muslims in the military are not. as long as people arent stupid and can tell the difference between the two and know when and how to respond to a threat, then things will be fine. this was tragically not the case here.

[GERALD]

islamists in the military is an issue, muslims in the military are not. as long as people arent stupid and can tell the difference between the two and know when and how to respond to a threat, then things will be fine. this was tragically not the case here.

Gee, what is the difference? I thought all Muslims were members of the Nation of Islam and visa versa.

Ignorant in San Diego . :confused:

[conservativecanadian]

a muslim is someone who just follows thier religion and is not violent and does not seek to use thier religion as a tool to commit violence or political power, an islamist is

[GERALD]

a muslim is someone who just follows thier religion and is not violent and does not seek to use thier religion as a tool to commit violence or political power, an islamist is

Do Muslims follow Surria (sp?) Law?

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[Topiary Lady]

As Rob was pointing out, I was specifically asking about Islamists - and not Muslims in general.

This business with Hasan - a known Islamist in our military, greatly concerns me. It truly is political correctness gone way too far. Now we've got a whole bunch of dead soldiers because of it. And for what? So we don't hurt someone's feelings or make CAIR mad?

We've been played by these people and I say that enough is enough. 13 dead soldiers - 14 human lives, if we include the unborn baby the woman was carrying. Families forever devastated.

And we've got a president who asks us to not jump to any conclusions. I've really just had enough of this. We are not living in a time where we can just look the other way and accept Islamists as a part of our culture - and certainly not a part of our military. We owe our men and women who serve better than this.

We need to root out the maggots like Hasan and stand strong against those who will whine and complain that it isn't very PC to not have radical's in our military. Bad enough we've got radicals in the White House. When it comes to asking our men and women who put their lives on the line for us to work hand in hand with a piece of human garbage like Hasan, I think it just really crosses the line.

Political correctness just took 14 human lives. Good going, lib's.

[conservativecanadian]

Do Muslims follow Surria (sp?) Law?

the word is sharia, and no, they dont, only extreme islamists do, thats why you see reforms going on in countries like kuwait and jordan that were once dominated by islamists in the governments

[GERALD]

Do Muslims follow Surria (sp?) Law?

the word is sharia, and no, they dont, only extreme islamists do, thats why you see reforms going on in countries like kuwait and jordan that were once dominated by islamists in the governments

Good .
I saw it spelled Shari'a as well.

So all Islamists are Muslim; But all Muslims are NOT Islamists.
Like all Muslims are NOT terrorists; But most terrorists are Muslim.
How about all terrorists are NOT Muslim Islamists; But all Muslim Islamists are... terrorists.

Well that clears that up.

Seems like our course of action is clear too:
Deport all Muslim Islamist terrorists.

BHO is doing the exact opposite as he has signed an executive order to bring 250,000 Palistinians from Gaza to the USA.

WHY ?

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[Rob]

BHO is doing the exact opposite as he has signed an executive order to bring 250,000 Palistinians from Gaza to the USA.

WHY ?

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You really need to post a link for this, otherwise there is no way to explain where you misread it... cause obviously this would be all over the news if there were any truth to it. Obama does enough crazy shit we can do without blaming him for things he isn't really doing.

[GERALD]

You really need to post a link for this, otherwise there is no way to explain where you misread it... cause obviously this would be all over the news if there were any truth to it. Obama does enough crazy shit we can do without blaming him for things he isn't really doing.

HTTP://TRUTHORFICTION.COM

The Truth:
According to published reports, in January, 2009, by the Associated Press, President Obama authorized an emergency contribution of $20.3 million solely for "urgent relief efforts in the Gaza Strip." The State Department issued no statement regarding any plans or policies for immigration of Gaza refugees out of the Middle East. The U.S. Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance (ERMA) fund was set up in accordance to the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 where the President of the United States may determine that funds be released to aid refugees for relief and migration. President Obama issued this determination on January 27, 2009. Click here for the Presidential Order

The authorization was issued a day after the United Nations launched an appeal for $613 million to aid Palestine in recovery efforts. The article said, "The money will go to U.N. agencies and the International Committee of the Red Cross, which are distributing emergency food assistance, providing medical care and temporary shelter, creating temporary employment and restoring access to electricity and potable water."

There is an official release detailing the distribution of funds on the America.Gov web site. Click for details.

[Rob]

I have no doubt Obama is giving money to the Palestinian refugees... it's just not for them to come to the USA, and that's a big difference. He wouldn't and couldn't do that with 250,000 Mexicans let alone Palestinians and that would not appease most of the Palestinians anyway... the Mexicans want to come here, the Palestinians want to live in Palestine.

[GERALD]

I have no doubt Obama is giving money to the Palestinian refugees... it's just not for them to come to the USA, and that's a big difference. He wouldn't and couldn't do that with 250,000 Mexicans let alone Palestinians and that would not appease most of the Palestinians anyway... the Mexicans want to come here, the Palestinians want to live in Palestine.

250,000 Mexicans! Oh No! In addition to the 250,000 Palistinians who don't even want to come here.

Well hang on. I am not done. There were a dozen more articles about the Palistinians.

None about the Mexicans. Please post your citation for that.

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[GERALD]

there has been much debate surrounding the issue of whether or not president obama's presidential determination no. 2009-15 of january 27, 2009, effectively provided funding for members of hamas to immigrate to the united states. While the determination itself did not include specific verbiage to that effect, just like reading the koran without using the hadith as a guide, reading the presidential determination without understanding the intent of the migration & refugee assistance act of 1962 and the accomplishments of the charged state department organization, the bureau of population, refugees & migration, would lead even the learned to a conclusion that denied a reality.
Source: Familysecuritymatters.org
http://www.nowpublic.com

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org

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[GERALD]

[QUOTE=AAI]

By AAI
AAI
Posted on Tuesday March 10, 2009

Yesterday, the Senate debated three amendments to the Fiscal 2009 Budget, offered by Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ), the first of which (Amendment 629) read: “None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be made available to resettle Palestinians from Gaza into the United States.” http://www.aaiusa.org[/QOUTE]

Senator, Jon Kyl was soundly admonished & Amendment 629 was immediately withdrawn with out a vote.

[PolyPartisan]

To be honest, I never really pondered the issue of Islamist infiltration into the government before this incident. It would be a helluva lot harder for al Qaeda to get someone in than Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.

As for the case of Nidal Malik Hasan, he was a delusional murder, but his killing spree doesn't have the earmarks of a terrorist attack; anyone with a gun can go on a mass killing spree; wouldn't it have been better for Islamist goals to keep him as an undercover operative and plot for trickier attacks? And, there would have been an immediate outpour from the terrorists' media outlets. I wouldn't be surprised if Bin Laden mentions it in a tape at some point, but their lack of an immediate response suggests they were caught off guard.

Furthermore, Hasan was a Palestinian. The calling card for Palestinian attacks usually include some sort of attack on Israeli or Jewish interests, and their dogma is usually as much nationalistic as religious, so I doubt he had any connections with Palestinian terrorists.

It's not unusual for mass murderers in the U.S. to latch upon schizophrenic notions that God is instructing them to kill people, etc., and I don't see why the same wouldn't be true for a Muslim murderer. I'm not saying that Islamism didn't play a role, but I think the killings were caused more by his mental state than his religious background. I remember a couple years ago when a Native American teenager shot up his school, and afterward it was revealed that he had neo-Nazi affiliations; of course there wasn't a lick of sense in how a non-white minority took interest in white nationalist hate groups, the kid just loved violence for the sake of violence. Since this killer was Muslim, it wouldn't have been surprising if he had taken up Islamism to suit his rage, but he could have also gone down the neo-Nazi route or self-proclaimed messiah route too.

[GERALD]

obama, miserable failure, invites palestinian refugees to immigrate to the us.

Close [x] what could possibly go wrong?

Pres. Obama invites hamas terrorists to america
february 7, 2009

bos smith and michael travis contributed to the writing of this article.


By executive order, president barack obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in migration assistance to the palestinian refugees and conflict victims in gaza.

http://www.liveleak.com

[EntryReqrd]

Gee, what is the difference? I thought all Muslims were members of the Nation of Islam and visa versa.

Ignorant in San Diego . :confused:


Sometimes an Extremist Really Is an Extremist (http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MmQzYTEwMmViOGE0OWUwYjgyOThmNWM0YmYzNTZiYjI=)
Jonah Goldberg
National Review

"I am more sympathetic toward this reluctance to state the truth of the matter than are some of my colleagues on the Right. There is a powerful case to be made that Islamic extremism is not some fringe phenomenon but part of the mainstream of Islamic life around the world. And yet, to work from that assumption might make the assumption all the more self-fulfilling. If we act as if “Islam is the problem,” as some say, we will guarantee that Islam will become the problem. But outright denial, like we are seeing today, surely is not the beginning of wisdom either.

I have no remedy for the challenge we face. But I do take some solace in George Orwell’s observation that “to see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” link (http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MmQzYTEwMmViOGE0OWUwYjgyOThmNWM0YmYzNTZiYjI=)

I like the way Jonah put it.

[GERALD]

I like the way Jonah put it.



He is a clear writer and doesn't pretend to have the answer. He merely points out the many questions. I too like his writting.

[Dr. Madd]

When we worry about offending people who recognize no national borders and are likely saboteurs to the point where we do not call them into question, we are, as a nation on the road to defeat.

[GERALD]

When we worry about offending people who recognize no national borders and are likely saboteurs to the point where we do not call them into question, we are, as a nation on the road to defeat.

Jinx !

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( 9:40 pm )

We both posted at 9:40 pm ! (PST}

[GERALD]

Not done researching yet.


More information: “Migration as a Method of Coping with Turbulence among Palestinians” Journal of Comparative Family Studies, Special Issue on the Middle East, Winter by Dr. Louise Cainkar. http://www.uic.edu/cuppa/gci/about/bios/fellows/Louise Cainkar.htm

There is a large number of liberals who believe that Palestinians are just "Turbulent" and spreading them out would broaden there horizons and mellow them. Thus their solution to the Palestinian problem is migration. Or immigration to other countries. Only one problem no countries want to take them.

I say each liberal should adopt a Palestinian.