The Downing Street Memo

[Count Rugen]

A pretty good read.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

[HealthyCommie]

"It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force."

Translation: Bush's case for invading Iraq was weak, so he tries to provoke Sadam so he can invade legally. Note that it mention Iraq's WMD capability was less than Libya, North Korea, and Iran.

"The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. There were different strategies for dealing with Libya and Iran. If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work."

Translation: If Bush and Blair could scare the public about Sadam having WMDs and is capable of using them, then the public will support an invasion regardless of facts.


Also note the date of the memo: July 23rd, 2002. 8 months before the invasion of Iraq. This memo contradicts the Bush admin.'s words to both congress and us, the American people, that they'd seek out all possible options before going to war. Apparently they already had their minds made up a whole 8 months before the invasion of Iraq. What's also amazing about this is that the story broke in England almost a month ago. It has gotten no news coverage of any kind (at least from what I've seen) here in the US. Do the American people want to know? Do they even care? Scary stuff. If this memo is true, it constitutes high crime under Article 2, section 4 of the constitution. What baffles me is how Clinton can cheat on his wife and it's front page news for the whole year. But if the Bush Admin. lies to congress and the American people, invades a country killing tens of thousands in the process, and then has documents released PROVING that they lied, and it gets almost no coverage whatsoever by the media.

Interesting that this has been up for a day and no one has responded.

[martha]

Interesting that this has been up for a day and no one has responded.

Because the horse is now a pool of mush.... :icon_roll

[DoubleU]

Jeez does anybody see what is really going on?

"Deep Throat" supposedly comes out and the press is going nuts about how Nixon resigned. Now there is talk of impeaching Bush. I wonder why these happened so close to each other? Couldn't be the liberal press trying to influence the public could it?

[HealthyCommie]

Well personally I rather have that lunatic out of power KNOWING he can't nuke us. A dictator like Saddam could have nuclear weapons like THAT, and you know it. As for the political plan, you libs forced us to fight a PC war which is why we're still there. The military plan was constrained by this, which is also why we're being bombed daily.

Even at the cost of 1500 American lives? Even at the cost of 100,000 Iraqi lives? I don't think so buddy. I'd rather have proof that he has WMDs first than bomb a country without being sure. The memo even says that there were at least 3 other countries that were more of a threat than Iraq was. Why didn't we invade them? Why didn't we invade Russia for christ's sake? They only have the 2nd largest stockpile of WMDs on the PLANET (2nd to the good ol' USA, of course), all of which are pointed straight at us. What about Israel? What about all of western Europe? I guess you don't have to follow the rules as long as you're our friend, right?


YOu need a life pal. ....says the guy with a Halo avatar :icon_roll


You know what else is interesting? Despite how sucky a president he is, according to you, he got reelected. Despite all the slander, he got reelected. Despite all the voter fraud, he got reelected.
Yes, and that is what scares me. The fact that an ignorant public re-elected a criminal doesn't make him a good president.


Jeez does anybody see what is really going on?

"Deep Throat" supposedly comes out and the press is going nuts about how Nixon resigned. Now there is talk of impeaching Bush. I wonder why these happened so close to each other? Couldn't be the liberal press trying to influence the public could it?

Talk of impeaching Bush? In the American media? HA! That's funny. This story broke almost a month ago in the UK and has gotten virtually no media coverage in the US since then. Yeah, that's the liberal media at work all right :icon_roll .

[idontcarewhatuthink]

....says the guy with a Halo avatar :icon_roll
.

Whats wrong with having a halo avatar? how does that mean that you would have no life?
So if i enjoy reading books, and i put a book for my avatar then i would have no life?
I dont understand.
Please explain

[HealthyCommie]

Well how would me replying to a topic equate to me having no life? It doesn't make sense. But I'd assume that if you like a game enough to use it as your avatar then you must play it vigorously. Then again I could be wrong.

[Bumblebee]

A pretty good read.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html
How naive. Don't you know that the UK has more bias newspapers then we do? They are also nastier.

[DoubleU]

How naive. Don't you know that the UK has more bias newspapers then we do? They are also nastier.

They are also closer to socialism then we are.

[OmegaRed]

~*YAWN*~

This has the makings of another National Guard Document forgery. So this basiclly states that going to war in Iraq was the right thing to do? Coulter is right, there simply isn't an "intelligent" liberal alive!!!! One more thought, how many secret memos start off with "The Secret"?

~*YAWN*~

Wake me up when a liberal makes a valid point!!!:icon_roll

[OmegaRed]

Talk of impeaching Bush? In the American media? HA! That's funny. This story broke almost a month ago in the UK and has gotten virtually no media coverage in the US since then. Yeah, that's the liberal media at work all right :icon_roll .


Failed presidential candidate John Kerry said Thursday that he intends to confront Congress with a document touted by critics of President Bush as evidence that he committed impeachable crimes by falsifying evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."When I go back [to Washington] on Monday, I am going to raise the issue," Kerry said


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/3/00901.shtml

[OmegaRed]

5:37 AM PDT, June 3, 2005 U.N.: Weapons Equipment Missing in Iraq
By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer

UNITED NATIONS -- U.N. satellite imagery experts have determined that material that could be used to make biological or chemical weapons and banned long-range missiles has been removed from 109 sites in Iraq, U.N. weapons inspectors said in a report obtained Thursday.

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

Failed presidential candidate John Kerry said Thursday that he intends to confront Congress with a document touted by critics of President Bush as evidence that he committed impeachable crimes by falsifying evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq


Here's what the dems have been saying about Saddam's WMD's since 1998

TWO YEARS BEFORE BUSH


"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002


Considering this evidence was corroborated by MI-5, GRU, UN Security Council, and the above democrats, it seems to me that Kerry is gunning for a whole stack of people.......including himself!

[FightinDaMan]

You gotta love politics.

[DoubleU]

Here's what the dems have been saying about Saddam's WMD's since 1998
TWO YEARS BEFORE BUSH

Oh, but the liberals loved it when Bill was saying it. Just like they loved when he said "Fix social secuity" However when it comes to do something that is a different story.

[thumbelina]

Causing a Commotion (http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins200506060801.asp)

“Downing Street Memo” is old news.

[OmegaRed]

This afternoon the reporter that broke the story came out and said it was all made up


Great Journalist skills...Wonder if the writer was taught by Dan Rather

[martha]

I think the memo was faxed from Abilene Tx.... :icon_razz

[WhiteAfricanAmerican]

Notice, not one response from the commie, since it's been brought to light that

A) The memo was b/s

and

B) The fact that everyone on this planet accepted the fact that Saddam had WMD's.

Show's how solid the foundation of their arguements are.

[Raver]

I think the memo was faxed from Abilene Tx.... :icon_razz

:'(
I live in Abilene, Tx.

[Count Rugen]

This afternoon the reporter that broke the story came out and said it was all made up


Great Journalist skills...Wonder if the writer was taught by Dan Rather
Do you have a link or something? I haven't read anything that even remotely resembles what you've written here.
As a matter of fact, without some kind of evidence I'd have to call this an outright lie.

[Cable]

Count Six Fingers there are millions of links. Every major source covered this story since 2002. Back then they new The Sun made this up. Thumbilina has a link to it in his signature. FoxNews.Com. CNN. MSNBC. CNBC. Yahoo and Google all have this link

[Count Rugen]

Count Six Fingers there are millions of links. Every major source covered this story since 2002. Back then they new The Sun made this up. Thumbilina has a link to it in his signature. FoxNews.Com. CNN. MSNBC. CNBC. Yahoo and Google all have this link
I've read the stories, as well as the memo itself. Nowhere have I seen the author saying that the story was made up. That's the link I'm asking for.

[OmegaRed]

http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins200506060801.asp

[Count Rugen]

http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins200506060801.asp
My comprehension must not be very good. Where in the above story does the author say the original story was "made up"?