Lecture Number I

[Caleb]

I am a man of God and I am here to teach you sinners to repent or face the consequences

Here is PART I

Homosexuals are living in sin.

1) Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. Leviticus 18:22

2) If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. Leviticus 20:13

3)Homosexuals (those "that defile themselves with mankind") are included in Paul's list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people.
1 Timothy 1:10

4)Apostle Paul also said, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." I Cor. 6:9-I0

5) Apostle Paul made it clear, those who would "change the image of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man...God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

People who live in this sin and support this sin need to be punished. Since I am the chosen one, I see fit that you repent and if you do not, my God have mercy on your soul.

[IHL]

That's fine Caleb, assuming someone believes in God. If not, then those words don't mean much.

I'm not saying I believe or don't believe, that is a seperate argument. My point is, your agrument is based on a premise that many people don't accept.

[Caleb]

Let me tell you something son, God's Word is the only thing that matters in this world. One must follow his word and one will be rewarded and if one decides to live in sin and debauchery they will burn in Hell. I am only here to
to spread the Good Word and set the sinner straight.

[Wadi66]

Let me tell you something son,There you have it IHL. Ha ha. You're his senior by about 20 years but he'll refer to you as "son". Some people really crack me up.

[riddle]

I totally agree with your reasoning and IHL does bring up a good point about not being Christian. I, in fact, am. That being said, we should however, adhore the sin, but love the sinner. I am not one to gay bash and use the name of God in the same statement. I love those who sin not unlike God. We are his children, and they deserve from us the love God shows them. In short, your statements (though true) are a little rough and hurtful.

I disagree with you on that point only.

[Caleb]

So if a person comes in the middle of the night, breaks in your house rapes your sister and murders your parents and hangs your brother. We should show them love?

[riddle]

So if a person comes in the middle of the night, breaks in your house rapes your sister and murders your parents and hangs your brother. We should show them love?

Yes. We definatly should. But, is that after I have had a chance to legally defend my life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and my families. If I had the chance, you better beleive that I would put some led in his ass in order to stop him. But I am still required (and do) to love him no matter what he does.

Your next question is going to be:

Well what if you couldn't stop him? What if you were tied up or something?

My answer?:

What if ?!? What then?!?! I will still live by my morals. I will seek justice, but I won't hate him. If you truely are a man of God why are you provoking me to argue with you? Why do you question my morals? Why do you judge when you obviously have no supreme power (earthly or godly) to do so?

These are hypothetical questions, and I will not entertain anymore of your banter.

[Caleb]

Actually, my next question would be why love the sinner?
I would turn the other cheek and watch him pay for his sins.
I am not arguing with you I just showing you a realization.
There was no Banter, remember you brought this up.

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

I can't wait for Lecture Number 2.

[riddle]

Actually, my next question would be why love the sinner?
I would turn the other cheek and watch him pay for his sins.
I am not arguing with you I just showing you a realization.
There was no Banter, remember you brought this up.

Wouldn't you think that they would need help in forgiveness of their sins? I thought you were Christian. Are we not told to love and help one another? Christ didn't even do what you say you would do. (remember the harlot?)

And no, I didn't bring this up. I included my opinion to the topic before you solicited me for more info. I didn't ask you a question first. You wanted my input. I gave it.

[fancyguppy]

Actually, my next question would be why love the sinner?
I would turn the other cheek and watch him pay for his sins.
I am not arguing with you I just showing you a realization.
There was no Banter, remember you brought this up.

Well that deserves a direct answer Caleb.

Turn with me to Luke Chapter 6 31-35. And to save you the trouble I will write exactly what it says in those passages.

31. ( these are in bold red letters said by Jesus ) And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

32. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? For sinners also love those that love them.

33. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? For sinners also do even the same.

34. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? For sinner's also lend to sinners, to recieve as much again.

35. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again ; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest. For he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.


I would be careful how you are interpreting scripture. Scripture also says this : Luke Chapter 6:29


29. And unto him that smitheth thee on one cheek offer also the other ; and and him that taketh away they cloke forbid not to take they coat also.

You might want to take a look at that verse too for your refreshment :)

[Caleb]

My son, maybe you oover read my statement earlier. I believe sinners must be punished. Sure we all turn to the other cheek, but remember they to have to be punished in the eyes of God.

[FightinDaMan]

Caleb, I have a question. You say that God's word is the most important thing in the world, but there are so many different accounts of it that I have no idea which is the ACTUAL word of God. Any suggestions for finding the needle in the haystack?

[Caleb]

Son, The Bible is the ONLY WORD OF GOD.

Don't be like a liberal and add words or subtract words like they do to The Bible or The Constitution.


Get the Bible and you too, could be in His presence

[FightinDaMan]

Son, The Bible is the ONLY WORD OF GOD.

Don't be like a liberal and add words or subtract words like they do to The Bible or The Constitution.


Get the Bible and you too, could be in His presence

But lots of other works claim to be the word of God as well. How am I to be so sure that the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures are truly the work of a divine being?

[Caleb]

Hebrew and Christian Scriptures are the same thing.

Christian Scriptures are the New Testament.


Hewbrew versions are New World Translation which hold the Christian Scriptures.

[FightinDaMan]

Hebrew and Christian Scriptures are the same thing.

Christian Scriptures are the New Testament.


Hewbrew versions are New World Translation which hold the Christian Scriptures.

Hebrew Scriptures are included as the Old Testament in the Christian Bible, I know. I was asking how I was to be sure that this as opposed to the Koran or the Bhagavad Gita, for example, was the true work of God.

[fancyguppy]

My son, maybe you oover read my statement earlier. I believe sinners must be punished. Sure we all turn to the other cheek, but remember they to have to be punished in the eyes of God.

First of all, I'm a woman. I'm not son.

Second of all. Yes, sinner's will be punished. Its in God's hands to do that. I think there is a passage you may like to read and it says somethin like this :

Matthew Chapter 7 Verse 3-5.

"And why beholdest tho the mote that is in they brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye, and behold a beam is in thine eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Why are you concerning your stuff with isnt your authority to carry out? Your no more fit to judge since you yourself are sinner. Leave what is up to God up to God.

And to celebrate in someone's punishment is just WRONG. There is something called empathy...do you know what that is? But whether you'd like to admit it or not...your a sinner too. Even someone who is saved is still a sinner. Everyone on this earth is a sinner because we are human. The idea is to strive to be righteous and pure in thought. Its not an easy thing to accomplish. We all fail. Even tho you may not want to admit it. You fail too. Thats why there is something call repentence and something called forgiveness.

BTW.. I am a yr younger than you. And I have a firm grasp that I dont know everything. Perhaps you should exericse that too. Every christian is God's chosen, the elect, saints...whatever you wanna call it. You are NOT "The Chosen One".... The Chosen one was Jesus Christ chosen by God to save the world.

[Caleb]

Bhagavad-gita is a renowned as the jewel of India's spiritual wisdom. Spoken by Lord Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead to His intimate disciple Arjuna. Here is the key wording No other philosophical or religious work reveals, in such a lucid and profound way, the nature of consciousness, the self, the universe. It provides a definitive guide to the science of self realization. My Lord is not the Lord of the Hindu. This is not even a Holy Book but more of a Self-Help Guide



The Koran, the sacred book of Islam. Revealed by God to the Prophet Muhammad in separate revelations over the major portion of the Prophet's life at Mecca and at Medina. The Qur'an refers to religious and historical events but seldom provides comprehensive accounts. Its focus is their significance, rather than their narration.Then it developed into a separate discipline with the introduction of etymological and literary analysis tools. Being the verbatim Word of God, the text of the Qur'an is valid for religious purposes only in its original Arabic, cannot be modified, and is not translatable, although the necessity for non-Arabic interpretations is recognized. This has made the Qur'an the most read book in its original language and preserved a classical form of Arabic as an Islamic lingua franca and medium of learning.

[FightinDaMan]

I'm aware of what those books are. Apparently, you didn't really catch my sarcasm. I was trying to point out that there are so many "words of God" that it's ludicrous to try to pick one and say that its the definitive one. This has gotten off topic enough so i'm just gonna stop.

[Count Rugen]

India has the Bagvad Ghita the middle east has the koran here in America we have the Bible.
Indians worship Jesus and Mohammed as well. The middle East is full of Jews and Christians as well as Muslims. The United States has members of most every religion.
Can you please point out where in any official document establishing this country you can find the name of Jesus Christ? You say it's on our money, but all I see is God. Sounds to me like the God of Issac and the God of Abraham.

[Argonath]

I'm Buddhist. Hi. Explain to me, a person who has no belief in God, the Bible, or anything to do with Christianity. You can push that "It's God's word!" stuff, but that doesn't mean I'm ganna convert all of a sudden and bow my head to you. explain, without any referance to the Bible, or any holy book, why homosexuality is wrong.

[Miro Satan Fan]

I'm Buddhist. Hi. Explain to me, a person who has no belief in God, the Bible, or anything to do with Christianity. You can push that "It's God's word!" stuff, but that doesn't mean I'm ganna convert all of a sudden and bow my head to you. explain, without any referance to the Bible, or any holy book, why homosexuality is wrong.


Every religion has "rules" against homosexuality. If you are a Buddhist, you probably have more stricter "rules" against homosexuality then the Christians and Muslims.

[Argonath]

do you know that as a fact, or just guessing?

[Miro Satan Fan]

do you know that as a fact, or just guessing?

A fact but w/ a spin. Homosexuality is punishable by death under Muslim "rule". In the concept of overall "sexual" behavior, the Buddhist are the most strict. To reach "nirvana" in a few stages you have to spend life times as a eunuch.To prove your devotion to the Buddhist "cause" you will be come a castrati, man I hope your not a male. Snip! Snip!