Deadly Doctors

[FireDog]

Betsy McCaughey, founder of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths and a former New York lieutenant governor, lets us know who is forming Yo=Bama's and the Democrat's health care takeover.


Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

Emanuel believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96). Translation: Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.
He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years"
Dr. David Blumenthal, another key Obama adviser, agrees. He recommends slowing medical innovation to control health spending.

Blumenthal has long advocated government health-spending controls, though he concedes they're "associated with longer waits" and "reduced availability of new and expensive treatments and devices" (New England Journal of Medicine, March 8, 2001). But he calls it "debatable" whether the timely care Americans get is worth the cost. (Ask a cancer patient, and you'll get a different answer. Delay lowers your chances of survival.)

http://www.defendyourhealthcare.us/deadlydocsrationcare.html

This is why Yo-Bama wants to pass this BS as quickly as possible. The more we understand it, the worse it gets.

[FKLBRLS]

Not only that, but they'll start checking fetuses for genetic disorders and mandating abortions if the kids will come out with problems. They do it in China, sometimes by force (IE the woman is strapped down and the baby is yanked out and killed). If you have a child with Down Syndrome or other disorder, you won't have a choice of carrying it to term; the government will force you to abort so as to not be "a burden on the system."

Liberals like to cite insurance companies' policy of "refusing to cover people with pre-existing conditions." They complain that insurance companies refuse to cover, say, diabetics. But what they fail to realize is that the government will do that on a massive scale.

Suppose you are diabetic and are in a massive car accident that requires major surgery for you to survive. They might just let you die so that you "don't keep burdening the system."

[Everton78]

Not only that, but they'll start checking fetuses for genetic disorders and mandating abortions if the kids will come out with problems.

All ready an option in America. Has been for years.

[FKLBRLS]

All ready an option in America. Has been for years.
Really? The government is currently mandating and REQUIRING women carrying disordered children to abort? That was my argument, I know damn well it's possible to check for genetic disorders! But once we have socialist healthcare, women won't have the right to choose NOT to abort. Where will the feminazis be on that one? Nowhere to be found, I'm sure.

[i_love_being_so_wicked]

I don't think women should be required to abort fetuses with genetic disorders or other problems, but I think they should be able to if they want to. I work with people who have developmental disabilities and I know firsthand how hard it is to take care of them sometimes. They also place the burden of their care on society because their parents don't want to take responsibility for them when they find out how hard it is. Many of the guardians of the people that I work with do not even contact them and that is sad. I know people have trouble with the morality of abortion, but I think if you are not going to be the one to take responsibility for your own child, then you should abort it instead of expecting society to support it. I say this even though I would be out of a job for now if there were not people like this that needed help from the state because I don't think there should be unnecessary burdens on society like that. There really is no need to bring children like that into the world when you have the option to be able to genetically alter your offspring so they are not born with genetic disorders and disabilities. So I am saying that families need to take care of these children themselves or else abort them if they know how they are going to be born and don't like that. I don't think people realize how much money the government has to spend on people who are a burden to society. What you all also don't realize is that the government does not want to even spend what they do on taking care of these people. Tax payers do not want to take care of these people either because states such as mine are slashing their budgets and my organization does not know if it will be able to operate with less help from the state because it is a non profit organization. That is why I have the opinion that I do.

[FKLBRLS]

I don't think women should be required to abort fetuses with genetic disorders or other problems, but I think they should be able to if they want to.
And therein lies the problem. When all healthcare is government-run, families will not have the choice to raise a developmentally-disabled child. They will be required to abort fetuses with genetic disorders. I'm talking women being strapped down to a table and held down by 2 or 3 men, while the abortionist yanks out the baby and scrambles its brains in front of her. The problem is that since private families will no longer have control over their own healthcare, their decision to raise a disabled child becomes a public concern; regardless of whether they have the means and desire to support it themselves.

[Aurelius]

I'm talking about that's some crazy right there.

[scarymary]

In a Nov. 16, 2008, Health Care Watch column, Emanuel explained how business should be done: "Every favor to a constituency should be linked to support for the health-care reform agenda. If the automakers want a bailout, then they and their suppliers have to agree to support and lobby for the administration's health-reform effort."

So this is what we can expect from this administration. No wonder they want to get their hands into every business imaginable. This is the worst type of coercion.

[FKLBRLS]

So this is what we can expect from this administration. No wonder they want to get their hands into every business imaginable. This is the worst type of coercion.
The automakers have wanted socialist healthcare for years.

This is a lesson to businesses: if you don't like what the government demands of you, then don't take their friggin' bailout money!

[Ne0LyFeiSm]

I don't think women should be required to abort fetuses with genetic disorders or other problems, but I think they should be able to if they want to. I work with people who have developmental disabilities and I know firsthand how hard it is to take care of them sometimes. They also place the burden of their care on society because their parents don't want to take responsibility for them when they find out how hard it is. Many of the guardians of the people that I work with do not even contact them and that is sad. I know people have trouble with the morality of abortion, but I think if you are not going to be the one to take responsibility for your own child, then you should abort it instead of expecting society to support it. I say this even though I would be out of a job for now if there were not people like this that needed help from the state because I don't think there should be unnecessary burdens on society like that. There really is no need to bring children like that into the world when you have the option to be able to genetically alter your offspring so they are not born with genetic disorders and disabilities. So I am saying that families need to take care of these children themselves or else abort them if they know how they are going to be born and don't like that. I don't think people realize how much money the government has to spend on people who are a burden to society. What you all also don't realize is that the government does not want to even spend what they do on taking care of these people. Tax payers do not want to take care of these people either because states such as mine are slashing their budgets and my organization does not know if it will be able to operate with less help from the state because it is a non profit organization. That is why I have the opinion that I do.

Parts in bold are added emphasis by me..

This is quite possibly the coldest position someone could take. Never mind the fact that abortion in and of itself is nothing but a crutch to ==== without dealing with the consequences. The fact that you would equate a child, who by no fault of his own, may have developmental disorders as INFERIOR to another child is beyond the pale. That you would advocate DEATH to the most VULNERABLE of persons boggles the mind.

Wow.. just wow.. I really can't say much more without getting really upset and venting.

[GERALD]

Wow.. just wow.. I really can't say much more without getting really upset and venting.

You love life. I admire that.

OH BTW, someone twitted me this:

Obama's own physician is against Obamacare http://bit.ly/gmTpD #tcot
14 minutes ago from web

[FireDog]

Obama's own physician is against Obamacare http://bit.ly/gmTpD #tcot

Saw an interview with him. He's a nut job! Wants to eliminate ALL private insurance and have government run it all. Says it's the only way it will work.


“I do oppose the legislation,” Scheiner said. “I think it will make things more complicated than ever.”

Instead, Scheiner argued that the country should switch to an entirely government-run health system, often called a single payer, which is used in places like Canada. Scheiner made his remarks at a National Press Club event with other advocates of a government system.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/07/30/obamas-former-doctor-criticizes-health-care-overhaul/

[Topiary Lady]

Say it isn't so, FireDog! Not another radical who was associated with Obama The Moderate! :rolleyes:

Did Chairman Marx ever have any normal people for friends or associates? How on God's green earth did he even manage to dig up this many kooks?

[i_love_being_so_wicked]

This is quite possibly the coldest position someone could take. Never mind the fact that abortion in and of itself is nothing but a crutch to ==== without dealing with the consequences. The fact that you would equate a child, who by no fault of his own, may have developmental disorders as INFERIOR to another child is beyond the pale. That you would advocate DEATH to the most VULNERABLE of persons boggles the mind.

Wow.. just wow.. I really can't say much more without getting really upset and venting.

I'm sorry to have upset you but I do have a different opinion on genetic disorders. Many of them are preventable these days and I don't see why people who know they are at risk even have children without taking precautions. I don't think you understood that I was saying that I think PARENTS NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN CHILDREN when they are born with problems. It saddens me that I take care of these people and their own parents and siblings ignore them. I don't think that they should be able to give away their children just because they don't feel like taking care of them. Why even have them if you are not going to take care of them yourself. THEY ARE A BURDEN ON SOCIETY. TAXPAYERS DON'T WANT TO BE PAYING TO TAKE CARE OF OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN. I think it would be much easier just to screen your eggs or sperm for genetic disorders or use early term abortion to terminate a pregnancy if you don't have the money, time, or patience to deal with your own offspring. I'm sorry that I have to be cold and rational but that is just how I was raised.

You know all of you people who disagree with abortion are lucky that you did not live in ancient Rome or Greece. They didn't have abortion back then, but after a baby was born it was inspected by its father. If the baby was in poor health or had any notable conditions, it was set outside and left to die or put in a bag and drowned. I think it is a lot less cruel to terminate a pregnancy within the first 3 months then to kill it after it has actually developed to full term or been born already. So count your blessings that our culture is less cruel than previous ones.

[Topiary Lady]

That's pretty callous. Just because a baby is conceived by rotten parents, it's okay to kill it? Is it the baby's fault? So much so that it should be chopped to pieces, sucked out and thrown away like garbage?

I don't believe that the laws on abortion will ever be changed. But I do believe that it's possible to change hearts and minds on this issue. It is important to fully understand that we're talking about an unborn human being - not just some clump of tissue.

Read this (if you dare):
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/scienceabortion.html

[Dr. Madd]

Iask you, wicked: don't they still have to convict people of crimes to execute them?

[san clemente]

Wicked, you are arguing that it's worth it to sacrifice life to save money because of some bad parents. I don't understand that at all.

[i_love_being_so_wicked]

That's pretty callous. Just because a baby is conceived by rotten parents, it's okay to kill it? Is it the baby's fault? So much so that it should be chopped to pieces, sucked out and thrown away like garbage?

I don't believe that the laws on abortion will ever be changed. But I do believe that it's possible to change hearts and minds on this issue. It is important to fully understand that we're talking about an unborn human being - not just some clump of tissue.

Read this (if you dare):
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/scienceabortion.html

I don't want the abortion law to be changed because if it is, then fetuses are going to be aborted in worse ways than they are now. That is the sad truth. Women already have babies and then throw them away or kill them by suffocation, poisoning, etc. It is a lot better to offer abortions to people who do not want to have children, especially if they have some kind of genetic disorder where they would grow up and not be able to take care of themselves.

I, sadly, will never change my mind on this issue. I believe some women should be more responsible about it, but you cannot tell a woman what to do with her body, especially if she has a different set of morals than you do.

I also don't believe that fetuses are babies until at least the 2nd. Trimester. There are many cultures that share my belief. I have said before that Jewish people, even ones who are more Conservative, do not believe that a fetus is a baby or person until it is actually born and alive outside of the woman's body. An actual Conservative Jewish girl who is my friend told me this when I was up at college and her older sister was pregnant. I do not believe women should have an abortion after the 1st. Trimester if that makes you feel any better. I think it is safer and less cruel to get it done early before the fetus has developed too much.

You can't really change people's opinions if they have been brought up differently than yourself. Everyone is brought up with certain morals and social beliefs that have been instilled in them. It is extremely hard to change your mindset once you have been socialized a certain way. My parents and my church really did not express their opinions on abortion, so I developed my own opinion after I studied fetal development, genetic defects, problematic pregnancies, and other disorders.

I was allowed to study things and form my own opinion about abortion, religion, and politics. I was not brainwashed or socialized to think like my parents or others and for that I am glad. I know that many people do not agree with me but I'm okay with that. I also know that sometimes I can be cold, cruel, callous, and many other things but I have my reasons.