More Anti-Americanism from Newsweek

[Count Rugen]

"making things up" implies they came up with it themselves. The were presented the information from outside sources. In the case of 60 Minutes II the source lied. In the case of Newsweek the source either lied or was coerced into retracting the quotes.
Let's not forget the actual lie, that the Newsweek story caused riots in Afghanistan. Those stories came from nowhere other than the minds that wrote them.

[deek]

like i said earlier...if they were fair...then this would have happened during the clinton administration...but it didnt, the false stories always appear against bush or whatever conservative they are after at the time, no one else.

the point is...they hasten to run stories that arent even provable...but as with clinton, we saw them skip over stories that were no doubt true, as with linda tripp and monica lewinski.

[fancyguppy]

I also have no doubt that President Bush was AWOL during his time in the Air National Guard and refused to take a physical (probably for the substances that would show up in a blood test).


What I wanna know is. Why is so much emphasis being placed on what George W. Bush's military record is? If we're gonna be honest here. Clinton didnt even have a military record. And from what I understand He fled to Canada to avoid the draft. And some arent sure if Kerry's record is legit. Who cares? To me it seems all this hustle and bustle about the presidents record is an excuse for all the other accusations of failure namely failure in Iraq liberals have had to retract and backpeddle from quickly so they dont look like ranting idiots because their predictions have been FAR off base. Clinton also did pot and admitted it- oh wait. He tried it but he didnt inhale...i forgot! So if it didnt matter if Clinton took substances and admitted it..why should it be different for Bush if he did? *shrugs* just askin'.

Editted to say that how much did we hear about Clinton's bypassing the draft?? I dont remember hearing anything about it not to the extent of Bush thats for sure!

[IHL]

Ok, maybe "making up stories" isn't technically accurate but I was going for a point there. That point being that since they are the ones that take credit for good stories, they can also take the heat on bad ones. And if the story is fictious, then they are culpable.

The other point I was making is that this sort of thing, or nothing even remotely like it, ever happened to Clinton.

[Count Rugen]

Editted to say that how much did we hear about Clinton's bypassing the draft?? I dont remember hearing anything about it not to the extent of Bush thats for sure!
Then you couldn't read in '92 and '96. It's all the Republicans talked about. The truth is, President Clinton was at Oxford when his draft number came up. He didn't dodge the draft, but he sure wasn't in a hurry to get back and the Army wasn't in a hurry to get in touch with him as he was a Rhodes Scholar living outside the US.

The truth is, President Bush was in the United States when he was admitted to the extremely difficult to enter Air National Guard, therefore excusing him from service in Vietnam.

The truth is, John Kerry risked his life to fight a ridiculous war that he didn't agree with. He fought none the less, and when he got out used his rights as an American to protest the war. Again, a case of conservatives only wanting you to have the rights they agree with.

[Avid_Liberal_Hater]

Again, a case of conservatives only wanting you to have the rights they agree with.

That statement is true of liberals. For example, liberals want free speech when it suits there needs, but if a conservative excersises free speech that offend the sensabilities of liberals, Commie/libs call it 'hate speech' and demand that it be banned.

[deek]

Rolling Stone magazine...anyone read this? I cancelled my subscription (actually i still get it next month, then gone). It is the most blatantly anit-bush/extreme left magazine i have ever witnessed.

and the sad part is a lot of younger people get their political news from it. This months issue has something entitled "the quagmire: the iraq disaster" -- front page.

it also features an article those shows christians as being hate mongerers. and an article on how bad president bush is. all in the same issue.

during the election, they had a really crappy, let me suck on your teats interview with john kerry in which nothing was actually said except that john kerry agreed with the interviewer that he should win, not bush.

and ever since the iraq war started EVERY (no exaggeration) issue has had an anti-war article.

also, they had an article about some "poor, misguided "girl"" -- who was beaten and killed by some guys. the girl is actually a guy that tricked these other guys into having butt sex with him by dressing like a girl. (dont ask me how). now, they shouldnt have killed HIM (rolling stone refers to HIM as a woman the whole time, its pathetic), but the whole point of the article is that it was perfectly normal for HIM to do this, and to show people that dont approve of gays and the like as hating people.

it is a horrible, waste of a magazine, and in my opinion is one of the reasons the younger crowd in this country have no clue what is actually going on.

[Wadi66]

The truth is, John Kerry risked his life to fight a ridiculous war that he didn't agree with. He fought none the less, and when he got out used his rights as an American to protest the war. Again, a case of conservatives only wanting you to have the rights they agree with.That's the truth only for a current liberal. It wasn't the truth then and I was a Democrat at the time. Amazing how something that was viewed as traitorous then is glorified and honored now. What a bunch of bunk. Good grief, anyone who hasn't the common sense to see what a turned around pack of lies you've been fed needs to have their head examined. No damn wonder the globalist are turning this country on its head.

[fancyguppy]

Then you couldn't read in '92 and '96. It's all the Republicans talked about. The truth is, President Clinton was at Oxford when his draft number came up. He didn't dodge the draft, but he sure wasn't in a hurry to get back and the Army wasn't in a hurry to get in touch with him as he was a Rhodes Scholar living outside the US.

The truth is, John Kerry risked his life to fight a ridiculous war that he didn't agree with. He fought none the less, and when he got out used his rights as an American to protest the war. Again, a case of conservatives only wanting you to have the rights they agree with.


Well Count. Take a look at this and then tell me he didnt dodge the draft.

http://www.e-compquote.com/2003/z070103a.htm

That is Clinton's military record. If I am reading it right...it looks he dodged more than once! So once again...why wasnt a bigger deal made of it if all of a sudden Bush's military record is now all fire important now? Seems like alittle bit lopsided to me.

Yeah. John Kerry risked his life so he could document his whole military career on video tape so there would be no question about his military record. I mean have you ever heard of anyone else doing that while their at war? Where's all this fighting for his country "risking his life"- surely thats not on tape cuz he must of not seen too much of the front line to even make a steady camera angle. 3 months in and he's already got 3 purple hearts, then he gets to come on home. I wonder how many others had that Lux-ury. Quite convienant eh? And then he sells out a bunch of his conrads to upstage himself. Upstanding guy I must say. So if anyone ever questioned him on his military record... "But! ....I got 3 purple hearts!". So are we positive in saying it was all just to risk his life instead of priming himself for a presidential election with his mind boggling military record?

Who the heck cares about Bushes record? I dont! I dont even really care about Clintons or Kerry's. But if we're gonna be fair be fair. Dont excuse one and bash another. Bash all or bash none.


Just another case of Liberal spin control ;)

[chi1088]

Who the heck cares about Bushes record? I dont! I dont even really care about Clintons or Kerry's. But if we're gonna be fair be fair. Dont excuse one and bash another. Bash all or bash none.


Good point, fancyguppy. I agree with you on the all or none here. You know, if Americans really care about military records, than Bob Dole should've won the presidency in 1996.

[IHL]

Exactly Chi1088. No one gave two hoots about Dole's war record. He was a true hero. They tried to do it with Kerry because they wanted to appear to make him look tough on defense. He's not, he never has been and America saw it for what it was.

Bush didn't dodge the draft either. The story That CBS and Dan Rather concocted was as phony as the implication that Kerry was a big war hero. They just wanted to artificially prop up Kerry while at the same time tearing down Bush.

Both of these plans failed miserably and hurt the Democrats just as it should have. It will be interesting to see what sort of make-over they come up with for the Hildebeast.

[chi1088]

Well, the Republicans certainly won't be able to attack any military record if "Hildebeest" runs for office. Anyways, that's not what this post is for.

I do not believe that the Koran was flushed down a toilet but I do believe that our soldiers have desecrated it. This AP article posted on ABCNews.com proves what I believe. And if we are messing with the Koran, than I guarantee the insurgents are going to get fired up whether it's being flushed in the process or not.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=817943

[lordnyra]

One thing that puzzles me in that story the detainee who said that the quran was flushed in the toilet now says that it has never happened. Weird huh? But i don't support those actions but i do support the military.

[Serenity]

Because you are conservative, you feel that anything bad about your party is a result of liberal bias. Liberal bias is an excuse used so that you and other conservatives alike do not have to take responsibility and change your party for the better.

Change??!!! Republicans change only for the better. Democrats and liberals know only how to manipulate the vulnerable ignorant brain into thinking that change means to allow humans to do whatever they want and not be responsible for what they do. Liberals bash the goverment for not providing them with everything they need and hate it when the goverment expects liberals to take responsibility for thier actions. Bush has been trying to inflict change in the goverment. It is the Democrats who continue to filibuster every good judge he puts into office. THEY ARE ALL HYPOCRITS.

[Bumblebee]

I suggest that anyone who doesn't believe that the newspapers are bias, read the book "Arrogance", by Bernard Goldberg. He exposed the liberal biases of the so-called mainstream media.
It also tells how of all the newspapers in this nation only a tiny few unknown newspapers reported crimes in which lives were saved by guns. The book will tell you much more about many things that are really going on with the media.
It's an excellent read.

[14edsullivan]

What are you guys talking about...Fox news moves more to the left every single day...granted its better then CBS it still ain't much. Bush is a lib on a lot of issues as far as im concerned and him and his adminstration are becoming more and more leftist everyday...and are moving the country in the wrong direction...

[chi1088]

I suggest that anyone who doesn't believe that the newspapers are bias, read the book "Arrogance", by Bernard Goldberg. He exposed the liberal biases of the so-called mainstream media.
It also tells how of all the newspapers in this nation only a tiny few unknown newspapers reported crimes in which lives were saved by guns. The book will tell you much more about many things that are really going on with the media.
It's an excellent read.

In that case, look at these earlier posts of mine.

From Pocket Guide to the MSM (http://www.ihateliberals.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=9382&postcount=4)

Bernard Goldberg (http://www.ihateliberals.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=1350&postcount=16)

[OmegaRed]

Well, the Republicans certainly won't be able to attack any military record if "Hildebeest" runs for office. Anyways, that's not what this post is for.

I do not believe that the Koran was flushed down a toilet but I do believe that our soldiers have desecrated it. This AP article posted on ABCNews.com proves what I believe. And if we are messing with the Koran, than I guarantee the insurgents are going to get fired up whether it's being flushed in the process or not.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=817943


Hildebeest would be lucky if she doesn't go to jail by then

[Bumblebee]

In that case, look at these earlier posts of mine.

From Pocket Guide to the MSM (http://www.ihateliberals.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=9382&postcount=4)

Bernard Goldberg (http://www.ihateliberals.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=1350&postcount=16)
Your link only points out Mr. Burns personal viewpoint.
The book I recommended exposes the real truth which he takes on big jounalism, but offers a twelve step program the media elites overcome their addiction to bias. Even Tim Russett claims he has a hard time with it.
In case you don't know who Bernard Goldberg is, he is an award winning journalist who was CBS News correspondent for 28 years and is the winner of seven Emmy Awards at CBS.
The book I'm talking about is entitled "Arrogance", not "Bias".

[chi1088]

The book I'm talking about is entitled "Arrogance", not "Bias".

Whatever. It's all the same to me.

[chi1088]

A conservative egotistically impressed by his trivial comments.

[chi1088]

(triggered by the obnoxious laughter) Is that because both sides rejected you?

[calypso]

Hello, I am a new to posting in these forums but I have been a longtime viewer.

I go to a liberal arts college. I am far more conservative than I am liberal. This thread caught my attention because the subject has been bothering me for quite some time.

News is hard to come about these days, real and unbiased news. The college I attend has many televisions that play throughout. When I first began attending the school half of the TV's were on Fox News, half were on CNN, and one was on MTV2. More than 95% percent of my teachers I have come across are so liberal they make Michael Moore look like a saint. The other 5% are conservatives, which included war veterans and avid news watchers. --~

I am a designer and a true designer knows how to appeal to their target audience. It's safe to say that the media is a powerful tool, it's also safe to say that the media is so biased right now that its hard to differ the BS from reality. Due to the fact that many people my age don't care to look into things, it's much easier to have the TV and the Media tell them what to believe. I have met one student, out of thousands that is conservative at my school, let alone anyone my age. The youth of today is blinded by media, and they don't even understand it.

I keep to myself most of the time but in a few conversations I have had the guts to ask why they preferred Kerry over Bush. Here were the 3 unaltered responses:

1. Bush is an idiot
2. Kerry is cool (no joke)
3. I don't like the way the Bush Administration runs things.

These are college students/ registered voters.

I am taking 25 hours of college and work 30-35 hours of the week. Throughout my free time/breaks of this, I watch the news. More than most people- including reading the newspaper. During these breaks I watched both Fox News and CNN. I am completely unbiased and I take things how I get them. From my gathering, Fox news showed more topics from a variety of sources, such as missing children etc. and other national/worldwide news, while still largely tapping into political news.

While CNN slightly Taps anonymous subjects, I can't count how many times I have heard "THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION" and "OIL" in the same hour. If you think I'm lying, watch CNN and wait 5-10 minutes, you will hear one of those phrases/word. Call my bluff. Please.

---~[Long breathed] Well because the youth is blinded by the media, the majority of the students at my school petitioned to the Dean that Fox News be taken off of the TV's because of its 'biased nature'. The petition passed and now every TV, except for the one that is on MTV2, plays CNN.

I am willing to admit, the people who run the media, are brilliant. Look at what they have done. Look at how powerful they are. A true Media provider/ advertiser can take some good, and turn it evil. Such as mass producing picture of President Bush in the middle of a salute or wave to make it look like a Nazi symbol. With enough negative energy and tone you can take something as simple as a few simple words, and turn them into a catch phrase. Ex. THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

What has happened with Newsweek is a good example of how powerful and dangerous the media can be.

[Wadi66]

Welcome calypso. Any chance of approaching the Dean with a discrimination complaint? After all, don't they want their graduates to have a well rounded education?

As the parent of a Junior in college, how do you manage 25 hours (I'm assuming you mean semester credits) and still working 30-35 hrs a week. Unless you're getting college credits for the work you're doing?

[calypso]

Sorry Wadi, major typo- 16 Credit Hours